Hey Its Ron, Believe it or not I went and dug deep into my old cds and I actually found my copy of the cd. Great cd man. I forgot how good it was.

Hey , I just uploaded "Gothic Outcasts",Sight Unseen ,at last .fm ,I made it free downloads ,Im a little bit unfamiliar with this site so ,I may have to tweek some things but ,I think you can get the mp3's for free there .Try to go to Cobweb Corridor label ,but Im not shure if you have to be an administrator or not ,anyway let me know if you can download ,so I can tweek it ,for people to listen to!Thanks,again man ,and yes we should stay in touch!

Thanx a lot man. Yes I am legit, it is not a house or anything it is the real deal. You are more than welcome to visit anytime. Hopefully we will keep in touch man.

Hey ,Iwent to your studio site "Night Sky Studios ",and you've really surpassed alot of places .I think your very professional and your studio looks awesome . It looks like your really not fooling around ,maybe I can visit it one day ,God bless you and I wish you much success at it !

Im working on some other metal stuff with keybords in it to ! Its good to hear of your success man and I wish you much more ,I left out the part about Tim and I being in a car wreck ,and then I was in one that was pretty bad but I made a full recovery ,plus I almost got married ,but now only music and electricity! and school ! Im around ,its good to hear from you ,I'll let you know when the guitar album is finished !

Wow, thats too bad that none of that worked out. Would have been cool to hear a new Gothic Outcast cd. So you are just doing the solo classical stuff now i guess. When you get it done let me know I would love to hear it man.

let me try this again.There was a second Gothic Outcasts ,album but it was jazz metal ,and not like cynic ,or Atheist .I met Tim Waterson ,who set the world record for double strokes with his feet,but I spent way to much time with him ,letting him at his leisure try to learn the first album and after 5 years the arrangement was called off .Some people want to play in alot of bands like a session drummer and thats achievable if your like some drummers like Derek Roddy .Tim is a very fast drummer for a few minutes ,and he focused so much on his feet ,it seems he forgot about the rest of the kit .I was talking to Rand Burkey after his brother chris built an awesome "Gothic Outcasts "Website and linked it to the soon reforming "Atheist" website ,but nothing ever came out of it .I talked with Derek briefly but I never told him about 'Rand , or any deals I was trying to work on .The new deal involved a tour of dependable musicians . I didnt think that the second album would work then !

Cool!Hey I just wrote like 3400 words of stuff and it didnt post it just disappeared ,so Im re writing this one just to let you know that I'll re write it later my hands tired ,man I put all kinds of info in that and this site locked up on me!Yes I have copies of it but I dont have them with me right now !I 'll tell the other stuff in another post

Hey man Glad to hear you are still playing. Have you released anything since that Gothic Outcasts stuff? Do you still have copies of that album. I have the tape and I still listen to it. Great Stuff for sure. Since those days I am on my 9th release 7 with aurora and 2 with another band. I have owned my own studio now for like 10 years www.nightskystudios.org AllI have been doing since those days is music 100% Awesome to catch up with you man.

Hi there Ron ,yes its Joe Bates ,ah one of the most professional players from my past ,how are you ?,Im getting finished with a pre production solo classical guitar album to be recorded hopefully with a special customized 10 string classical guitar ,otherwise im working in a electrical union !