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ChaosDevin
Fascinating... this tag seems eh... not sure what to think of this. However this is not ambiguous like other tags I've come across. Based on reading what fokrym has to say... it sounds legit. Out of the top artists, I already listen to Full of Hell. I'll have to check out more dark metalcore.
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MorbidRitual
This genre looks like a mess. How is Masakari on here? They're such Discharge worshippers that they made a Fight Back EP and they sound way more like HHIG than Trap Them. I guess the whole neocrust genre is a mess too but this isn't any better.
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MorbidRitual
Ehhhh, I mean we can go back and forth on Masakari but I'm pretty solid on my opinion. If it's any consolation, I agree with a lot of Luriakh's picks on his list for consistency. Catharsis, Cursed, Ictus, Territory, The Secret, Trap Them, etc. are all crusty metalcore bands and follow a pattern. I feel like he goes off the rails on the second half of the list with picks like Sachiel which is straight up super different than other stuff listed, but for the most part the first half is all crusty metalcore that commonly gets mislabeled as neocrust. One thing to note about his list is that he goes on an album-by-album basis. For example, the first 2 Full of Hell albums he labels dark metalcore but not the rest of them which corresponds with their shift in sound. The only Masakari album he has listed is the Alpinist/Masakari split. I don't really agree, but The Obscene Underbelly and Progress are metalcore-y songs so I suppose putting that album in particular on the list is fair.
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MorbidRitual
As for some hot takes he has on the list, I wouldn't call Oroku or Torch Runner metalcore personally, but he at least explains his reasoning in the comments. The "weird sludgy shit that aren't far off from dark mxc" that he used to describe Cursed can also be used to describe those bands. As for hot takes on THIS list, Nux Vomica and Morrow are straight up not metalcore at all and aren't metalcore on his list either. The PV genre classification argument is probably due to the genre being badly defined in the first place. If you look at the RYM page for PV it defines it as more of tempo shifting grindcore. Hatred Surge and Mind Eraser both label themselves as PV bands and list less arguable PV (No Comment, Crossed Out, Despise You) bands as influences. The shitty genre classification leads to a lot of bands just being labeled as both grind and PV. For the same reason I don't like dark metalcore as a genre classification (too varied/vague) I also don't like neocrust and powerviolence.
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MorbidRitual
"Those have sounds dude." Yes they definitely do. Maybe I explained myself poorly. The "genres" themselves were used to describe a wave of metalcore from certain regions so they aren't very well defined for modern use. Like you said, bremencore/northcore is like a placeholder name that normally only gets used for 90s bands from Germany or Canada. You look at bands like Unruh or Cynarae who have that same sound and people will argue whether or not they're bremencore because they're not from those regions. Edge metal and Holy Terror both have dual meanings which is dumb IMO. Edge metal can just mean any straightedge metalcore or it could mean the sound coming out from the H8000 scene - the "slayercore" you referred to. Holy Terror can refer to the Integrity sound or it can refer to the ideology, which you already mentioned. Metal has tons of well defined subgenres and metalcore just doesn't is the point I was trying to get across.
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MorbidRitual
My main point wasn't that a lot of these bands aren't metalcore and me arguing about a few choices that I disagree about being metalcore isn't a huge deal to me. I just feel like the genre dark metalcore, as currently defined, is too broad when it really doesn't have to be. I liked that a genre was came up with to describe bands that are mislabeled as neocrust. From the RYM list it seems like at one point that was the goal of the genre, but then the genre definition was broadened making it meaningless. Bands can have subgenres. You can be metalcore AND have crust influences like Territory. It doesn't mean the band's main genre is crust or that it isn't metalcore. What I'm trying to say is "dark metalcore" is diluted to where it doesn't explain a sound unless I further define it - which is the same as using the term metalcore. Cult Leader and Ictus both being in the same genre which is supposed to be more descriptive than straight metalcore is weird.
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MorbidRitual
Anyways, I feel the genre has merit in its current state if only to weed out tons of shitty melodic metalcore and generic metalcore bands. Looking through the tag is more or less like looking through someones "metalcore that doesn't suck" list on RYM.
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