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hello-cthulhu
Do you talk about politics with all your friends? Do you share all your friends' political views? For me, the answer to both is no. In some cases, I don't know their politics - I can probably guess, but we really don't talk about it, and I'm actually glad we don't, because politics is often pretty toxic topic that turns good people nasty. In other cases, when I do know their politics, well, they're all over the place. I have friends who are radical left, (pre-MAGA) conservative, moderate independent, libertarian. I don't think I have any friends who are MAGA, but I certainly have family who are. So what I'm getting at is, the fact that Musk was friends with Thiel for a long time doesn't mean much. You might pick any one person or group of people I've known for decades, and presume that those were my politics all along. And you'd be very wrong, because you could find other friends of mine who were completely different.
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yosemitesonfire
there's definitely been a lot of revisionist history surrounding him recently. i distinctly remember he was popular among the online liberal yuppie types before covid, and my dad would listen to his podcasts in 2019-2020ish and he genuinely seemed like an intelligent guy. i feel like it wasn't until around the time he bought twitter that his public perception started to shift (and since this is the internet i should clarify i'm not defending him, but people act like he's always been like this which isn't true)
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hello-cthulhu
Indeed. Phil Spector literally murdered a woman, and certainly abused countless others. So, does this mean we can't listen to any music produced? I find that people tend to draw these lines pretty arbitrarily. But politics does make a big difference. It's actually a named cognitive bias - "In-Group/Out-Group Bias." It basically means that people tend to be very forgiving of wrongs committed by one's own tribe, but far more critical when committed by someone in an enemy tribe. It makes sense from evolutionary psychology, because you need to signal your loyalty to your group. And maybe it's needed, say, when parents protect their kids, by forgiving them when others don't. But it's toxic when people identify too much with political identities, and their brains break the world down in terms of political tribes.
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hello-cthulhu
I'm not one for policing language generally, but... eek. One hard rule I've followed is to never, ever use that word to talk about a lady. Even if I know the lady in question to be a horrible person. It' s not quite on the level of the n-word, but I would say that it's not a good look if, on the one hand, you want to be an ally to women, and on the other, you use that term to talk about ladies you don't like. Personally, I don't quite understand where Grimes has gone lately, and the strange things she's evidently said are troubling. But as with pretty much most musicians I like, I'd also rather I didn't know anything about her politics or personal life, and just appreciate her art.
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kristojk
Some people see her as a kind of quirky, misunderstood neurodivergent but in reality she's just one of the dumbest people the entertainment industry has seen in a while. The word "idiot" is overused, but it describes her perfectly. Her IQ is not low enough for her to have an actual intellectual disability (which would excuse her actions to an extent); she's more of the willfully ignorant type who knows she's an absolute moron and understands how her stupidity negatively affects the world around her, but doesn't care enough to try to improve, which consequently also makes her a horrible person in addition to being an imbecile. I'm not even trying to be mean - these are just facts.
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vividbluesky
I'm so over of her mess. I can't excuse her being so tolerant to nazi and supremacist bullshit. And every time she opens her mouth is to be the stupid cunt she is. Funny she thinks she is really making great points so out-the-box and smart opinions. lol Her and Musk really belong together.
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autumnluvxx
it pisses me off that people are still defending her because she's "autistic and doesn't know any better" like being autistic doesn't equal being fucking stupid and downright evil??
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BackOnMyBullsht
It kinda does that’s why mental institutions used to exist :/ make asylums great again
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sleepinginzeal
https://www.reddit.com/r/grimezs/comments/1iip9ad/nazis_she_still_follows_as_of_2625_had_to_repost
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sleepinginzeal
for anyone confused by the blatant smokescreens she’s now trying to throw up around her extensive dogshit collection
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sleepinginzeal
i hate to tell people “go read some reddit” but it is genuinely a good compilation and discussion
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RanchJuice
ppl hating on here and then go back to listening to their fav woman beating artists lmao
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aria-amethyst
Just manual scrobble it as "2 i don't give a fuck, im insane Feb.23.19 deon" and you got to remove the .m4a from the album name too.
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cainpilled
c just tweeted that she's potentially changing the demo's title on streaming so that people can scrobble it here !
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cainpilled
you like elon musk's favorite wifey who went too deep into the alt-right pipeline, wow, you're sooo special
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BackOnMyBullsht
“Talented” she can’t sing or play her own keyboards live all her songs are ghostwritten and ghostproduced 😭
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BackOnMyBullsht
NDA allegations were proven btw lol she actually hasn’t written or produced a damn song by herself in her life
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OkDoodOk
Nazi and white supremacist overused trope all over this shoutbox, it is cringe. You are watering those terms down when you misapply them to those whom you disagree with. Also the fact that instead of just focusing on the music output of artists you place your perceived opinions of an artist on a pedestal. People really need to stop idolizing "celebrity" as they are just flawed human beings like the rest of us. Yes flawed just like you broken folks jabbering on about everyone being a Nazi. Folks obsessing too much over the personal lives and personal opinions of celebrities almost certainly are stuck in idle with the world passing them by.
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OkDoodOk
Woke is also a loaded term. I will say I dislike any sort of forced orthodoxy. I don't default want to silence or viscously attack someone for having a differing opinion. A lot of people these days talk a lot however I am more interested in their actions. You see often at the minute the actions not matching with the talking.
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cainpilled
people who don't take sides are so obvious in what they choose to believe but are too afraid of showing what they truly think is right only for the sake of being "fair" when they do not care. just say you hate the woke.
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OkDoodOk
I am not afraid of anything and I don't need to play to your rules in how I express myself. I have opinions and convictions, no fence sitter here believe me. I already stated my view on what I think is going on in this shoutbox. However I will be more clear I think in society and very much online currently there is a religious like zealotry that pushes a very narrow orthodoxy. If you transgress that orthodoxy there is an attempt to excise you from polite society because in their view you committed wrongthink. I don't like people of any political persuasion pushing any sort of forced orthodoxy and behaving like zealots. If you think the extremes of political and social thought is all there is then that is why you have commented the way you have.
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theartificer
for me it's like she didn't release anything in almost ten years because the last thing i really enjoyed from her was Art Angels
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