All music is noise. If you can hear it then it is noise. Jay Z, Lil Wayne and what not are juvenile. I bet kids who listen to it don't realise how politically incorrect it is. Shit is opinionated, unless it is Nicki Minaj.
Although adopting the new design might have diminished site traffic a significant bit, I believe the site started to get more and more unpopular two or three years ago already. And it will probably go on this way.
And the motive for the redesign was that the site was already losing money. The community is gutted. Can a scrobbling site be profitable? It seems to me that scrobbling should have been a part of some bigger service, like Google or Facebook. And I have so many scrobbles that trying to transfer them made Libre.fm choke. :P
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as long as Metalcore is real Metalcore and Nu Metal is real Nu Metal, I don't see the point in debating whether it's Metal or not. Besides, Metal is like Punk in the sense that the bands generally regarded as not "true" are usually superior to the real thing. Exceptions exist, but it's typically a good rule of thumb.
In regards to your statement "if Led Zeppelin can't be considered a folk band because they have too few folk songs?" Yes, they aren't commonly classified as a Folk band for that reason. Likewise, Nu Metal bands can't be considered Rap Rock or Alt. Rock because they have one or two ballads or Hip-Hop collaborations per album. Of course there are other influences throughout, but music is not an exact science so judging the ratio of Metal influences to non-metal influences accurately is virtually impossible. However, if you look at the ratio of pure Hip-Hop tracks/ballads to the heavier songs in "Lost and Found", "Life Is Peachy" or "Vol. 3 The Subliminal Verses" etc. there are more heavier, groove orientated songs.
I made an argument in the Lifelover shoutbox - that they were more Post-Punk than Black Metal [url=http://i.imgur.com/xtLsq92.jpg]here[/url] is the screen grab of my arguments. Lifelover are just as much a Rock band as most Nu Metal bands.
Yeah, kind of pointless argument since Metal is not clearly defined. That's not the point though. Nu Metal gets a lot of stick for not being Metal enough when plenty of bands that are commonly classified as Metal can be seen as Rock "as a whole." Lifelover, Theatre of Tragedy (later), (early) Lacuna Coil etc. The rhythm playing in Nu Metal bands were much closer to Metal than those bands I mentioned, although employed slightly differently. Typical metal playing is solos and shredding, but Nu Metal bands did utilize these ideas and used them more for rhythmic playing. For example, Wes Borland is known for his hammer on tapping, and two handed tapping techniques (e.g on "Sour"). The technique would work well in solos, but Borland prefers using them more for rhythmic playing and also for ambient/drone effect by using the idea of drone notes. Also, Borland jumps 4-5 strings to give the effect of a solo (e.g he jumps 5 strings on "My Way") without sticking to typical Metal arpeggio solos
"Most nu bands don't sound like Sepultura, Otep or DD, they sound like P.O.D., Linkin Park, or Papa Roach. Why should such a tiny representation of nu metal w/ actual metal roots allow every other rock-sounding band in the genre to also be called metal " >>> I never said all the bands that media classified as Nu Metal is Metal. I'm sitting on the fence by saying that some Nu Metal is Metal and some isn't. I feel a lot of the 2nd wave of bands that were (loosely) classified of Nu Metal was a cash grab by record labels, that were looking to sign bands who had a fresh sound but still had a Rap-heavy Rock sound. These bands are not Metal, but a lot of the early bands were, in my view. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRiPPpbuw2c]Staind's "Tolerate"[/url] had some raw, groovy Black Sabbath type riffs for example.
"I'd also make a case that Motorhead were punkish." It's true. However (and I think you've already implied this) early UK hardcore movement was partly (sometimes) influenced by early British heavy metal (Motorhead as the main source of course), especially bands like Discharge. You could find some very d-beat-like structures in some early NWOBHM, take a look [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TtuOoPutCg]here[/url] for example. So it's really hard to determine what was more important, and maybe impossible since everything was interconnected from the beginning..
"The heaviness of course was already laid down by Black Sabbath's traditional Doom style but the heavy rhythms didn't come into until Metal crossed over with Punk" Regarding rhythms, maybe so.. I simply rarely think about 'heaviness' out of touch with actual guitar effects. I'd like to remind that we started this conversation by comparing earlier Slayer releases, and I simply argue why there's no significant difference between them in this regard for me subjectively. Actually SNM is my favourite album out of their discography, I believe "Evil has no boundaries" and "Show No Mercy" are more frenetic songs than anything they put on HA or RIB.
"but it seems you are contradicting yourself here since." Not really, I just tried to get up on your point of view for a while, otherwise we have too different perception what defines 'heaviness' and ultimately are not able to discuss anything.