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Out Group was pre-Mental Abuse. This is all the band's demos and some live stuff. The Bleeker Street Demos with Sid Sludge are best. There are lots of riffs that went on to later become Mental Abuse songs, and there's even an early version of "Do You Mind?" Sid was the fucking Hardcore Caesar! "I hate Mike, he's a mother, I hate Mike, he's my brother…". Awesome. Pat Duncan played "Get Away" on WFMU pretty much every Thursday night for years.

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