There are worse bands out there that should have retired -DREAM THEATER (amazing instrumentally but god that voice SUUUCKS) rolling stones - for 30 years only SHIT. Ac/dc same songs all over again (best thing was their tour with Axl Rose). Sodom - the ac/dc of thrash. Guns n Roses - no new songs since 2007 I think. Haggard, Portishead - zero new songs for more than 10 fuckin years. As for Sonata Arctica - they never released a masterpiece album but also never totally failed like Metallica did or GnR or Megadeth
Only thing good is AC/DC live performances. I am 34 ys old and since 2007 I saw over 200 different bands live (all types from Armin Van Buuren to Cattle Decapitation). Ac/dc are in my top 5 after Rammstein, Muse and Gojira. What I hate is that they kept playing safe. They are a huge name, A LEGEND OF ROCK. Take fuckin chances - you got one life. This is why I freakin love Within Temptation. They got balls. They made either amazing songs or not so great. But they took chances (collaboration with Xzibit). As for Sonata (or Nightwish, Epica etc) - I would fuckin love to see any of them experimenting. I would love an electro-industrial Rammstein type song from any of them just to see how it sounds. I wish I would have the creativity of music composers. I would experiment with every type of metal
I just came to the realization that Don't Say A Word got to be the best Sonata Arctica track. The main riff is so fucking catchy I can't even describe it. Whenever I think about a Sonata Arctica track, it's always Don't Say A Word and the main riff. So good. Also, the vocals and the lyrics, this Tony Kakko at his best, fucking incredible.
Few understands what I am talking about, but I don't give a fuck about people that don't understand me because I have a right to be heard, to be seen, to be loved, to be free and
to be everything I need to be me, to be safe, to believe In something. I also have a right to my own opinion!
Saw them live the other night and they sounded tired. I'm not sure if it's age, the setlist, the new material, or Tony having a bad day, or all of those things, but they weren't their usual selves. They were collectively more energetic and in their own touring Ninth Night. It was a bummer and I hope they find a groove they're on sync with again soon!
It's merely a job for them at this point. They're being edgy on purpose with this set, purposely playing unpopular shit. That setlist looks absolutely dire, it's time to give up I think. Same thing happening to CoB, half the band is leaving because the job is stale.
I'm clearly not a genre purist and like SA's varied output for the most part, whether it stays true to the spirit of power metal or not. The main problem with that setlist was that it lacked proper variation, distribution, and solid hooks. It was mostly sleepy new numbers, that often didn't even have a catchy or pleasant melody going for them. Their most energetic "high energy" songs were "satirical", like Vodka and X Marks the Spot, and one solid token oldie. I'm pretty sure the non-power metal fans of the band don't want X Marks the Spot to be rally point of the evening either! lol
I'd still be tempted to see them again, whenever that would be and if they ever want to return to our neck of the woods after we were such a disappointingly unreceptive audience... but I'd vet that setlist first or need a good lineup!
As a big fan of The Ninth Hour, I agree Talviyo is a bit disappointing BUT it's also something of a grower. It shares a sound palette with The Ninth Hour, which shares a sound palette with The Days of Grays, and I love that because it is my favorite version of SA. BUT... aside from generally weaker songwriting, Talviyo has the distinction of also being less sonically diverse than either of those albums, so by the back end it begins to feel tired. I'd probably drop it marginally ahead of Stones and far ahead of Pariah's Child in the bottom half of their discography.
Serious question, why is the instrumental on Talviyö called 'Ismo's Got Good Reactions' and not Revontulet pt. 2? It would only make sense when many other tracks on the album reminisce of older tracks.
I know, the Instrumental has a funny meaning in Finnish that's why. Salatut Elämät the long running TV-series. But was the reference really necessary..
Overall the album has grown on me quote a bit, except Demon's Cage. That I cannot get over ever. Oh well the song is good but the lyrics are ....... abysmal..
So just a quick thought, on Pariah's Child we had tracks like Cloud Factory and Half a Marathon Man and even X Marks the Spot, which seemed kind of funny and even like joke songs at the time but compared to the tracks on the new album those tracks seen like the best ones Sonata has ever written (well those tracks always were solid but). The jokes and song writing on the new album.. I'd so much love to go back to Pariah's Child days, at least that album was 10/10 power metal and not this AOR .... we have now.
"Message From the Sun", "Storm the Armada" and the instrumental track "Ismo's Got Good Reactors" (whatever the fuck that means) are pretty good songs, imo. I find myself bored with the rest of the album, however, and I just straight up hate "Cold". Will I give it a few more listens to see if it grows? Probably, but on first listen, it just might be my least favorite SA album.
Very boring indeed. I kept forgetting what even happened in the earlier track when it was over. I hate it. And I hate that I have to hate Sonata, I used to love them a lot. The only song worth another listen was " Ismo's Got Good Reactors", and even that, barely.
The new album is simply amazing. great music and riffs! If you dont like the new album just stop listening to it and writing bullshit about how bad this new album is in your boring humble opinion! Lady Gaga and metalcore is a good choice for you!
Tony just can't do wrong! Keeps your expectations at a reasonable level by releasing the singles and then smacks you in the face with this amazing sound on the album as a whole! I hope this guy never stops writing music.
This. The album is just plain odd to me, cannot get into it at all. Sonata's production has been dreadful since Pasi joined the band. The songs are just weird, Tony doesn't sound good at all. End the suffering Sonata.
Yes really. I haven't been listening to Sonata Arctica for the guitars ever since Jani is no longer part of the band. And they are not what makes the album's after that great anyways. I was worried about the production of this one but once you get the songs in CD quality, there is loads of amazing sounds and catchy melodies to be found here. I prefer this less guitar oriented approach instead of getting a lot of "Rise A Night" kind of songs. If you're looking for awesome guitar sound, you have been looking in the wrong place for quite over a decade now. There are many other bands that perform much better these days in that regard
I like the songs. This album is far better than The 9th Hour (probably the worst in the band's history), it has a plenty of catchy melodies and as great keyboard arrangements as ever. But those guitars are just driving me mad. I don't search for awesome sound here, just decent one would be good.
I just read a review of the album and was somewhat relieved. Apparently the album has some very heavy and experimental tracks, you will be surprised. For some reason they just decided to release the two most radio-friendly tracks as singles. However, in the review they said that the album has similar 'soundsphere' as The Ninth Hour. I'm actually crossing my fingers and praying this doesn't mean it also has the terrible mix and compressed sound as the previous album, which was barely listenable (check Rise a Night for reference). It almost felt like they sent an incomplete mix to mastering or the proper mix got lost somewhere. It's really weird though, as the Pariah's Child album did not have this mixing issue and it doesn't sound compressed at all. Yet it was mixed and mastered by the same people as The Ninth Hour. But if only we could go back to the Tico-Tico days and always have a quality mix/master on Sonata's albums. Albums like Unia, The Days of Grays and Stones Grow Her Name etc.
This new single is giving me major Stones Grow Her Name flashbacks, which was a particularly unhappy time in my relationship with this band. If possible, I would like it if we Did. Not. Go. Back. There. Ever again.
first 3 albums are so so beautiful. i first heard them 10 years ago in high school, and even now listening to them just fills me with energy and makes me happy to be alive. i think i have probably changed a lot in those 10 years but early sonata still goes straight to my heart. these songs are so pure. i can't ask for anything more
The recommendations algorithm is (was) based on listeners; Sonata Arctica listeners are more likely to be Kamelot listeners and vice versa. Btw, if you've only listened to those two Sonata Arctica songs showing in your library, I'd recommend checking out their earliest few albums before passing judgment.. Unless you just hate the vocals, in which case things aren't going to change.
I stopped paying any attention to them after Reckoning Night as I was pretty much over this whole power metal thing.. but I heard everything that came after that was quite bad anyway. Still listen to the old stuff sometimes in nostalgic moments, the ballads are so cheesy, love it. :D
The ironic thing is that the power metal elements were severely toned down after that specific album. They had already begun the transition, but from Unia onwards it's not the exact same band (both figuratively and literally) as in the beginning.
*tries not to strangle you* I kinda liked you up until this comment :D It has been overplayed in the "Choose your ballad" spot on this tour. Luckily I got Shamandalie last year :) But other than that, it's the song that made me fall in love with that band! Weakest are Love and Draw Me in my opinion.
I respect your opinion but I won't get it anyway. :D Sonata created so many great ballads in their early years and I don't see Tallulah as a top ballad in their discography. You named Shamandalie which is simply the best ballad they've ever made.
I guess that explains it then. I discovered these guys rather late and accidentally with Unia, via Fly With The Black Swan. The sentimental value of Tallulah doesn't exist for me, and I prefer when Tony's melodic sensibilities create something that's less.. vanilla.
Yeah the first 2 and also the 3rd album definitely have a different vibe to them. I love them as well, but I can see where you're coming from. Also his voice was pitched on at least the first two albums. After Unia was released the fan base began to have differing opinions on their style (which has been departing from the sound of the first 2). So you basically get the favorite Tallulah from the first 2/3 albums from people who never really got into their new stuff.
The band always came up with great ballads, especially in the early years. One more reason why I don't see Tallulah as a top Sonata song. We got Replica, Last Drop Falls, Gravenimage, Broken, Mary Lou, Sing in Silence, Shamandalie etc... All those songs OWN Tallulah if you ask me. Tallulah simply feels like a ballad that stays the same from the beginning to the end while I expect a ballad to have a more emotional build up like Shamandalie for example which is the best ballad this band has ever created.
The album could be leagues better with proper production, I agree. Also if Tony gets rid of a lot of the parts that just break the song and sound boring we finally might be getting a masterpiece once again.