"ok, you want to talk about gender, let's hear what you have to say........... ok, gender is relative, I got it............ OK, but what else?" ~ she said what she had to say about it on W but a lot of people didn't get that. the new albums bluntness and sloganeering is to prompt the conversation not be the conversation.
My problem with the new album it's the lyrics, she doesn't seem to reach the message, I mean, the politic side it's ok, her point of view it's ok, but she can't explain herself in the tracks and... at the end of the album it seems like you're not full with the message and it tends to get lost in your mind so it's the album. I can only enjoy this new album if I don't pay attention to the lyrics, because the instrumentation it's cool (not as good as W tbh) but I believe in PTR so whatever.
@Naytan, @esoteric888 you said what I wanted to say much better. I was being too succinct. This was just a bad mix of things for me. I seek to be very pragmatic on political matters. Social justice activists (which PTR [i]really[/i] has become) and misogynistic red pillers piss me off equally. Just let people be who they want, and [i]lead by example[/i]. This is why I loved W so much (it was my album of the year for 2011). Not only is it a sonic masterpiece, it leads by example on what she wanted to convey. Now, I understand she wanted to make this album because she felt so emotionally strongly on all of this. If you want to reach people, you have to do so with a gentle hand and show them, not tell them. Everything has a line, and she crossed it. It's too much. It actually makes me listen to her music very infrequently now. I sincerely hope her next work (if there is one, she's stated she [i]almost[/i] quit after W) is back to her roots, or is something different and void of politics.
I feel exactly like @esoteric888 about All Love's Legal, and, speaking from MY very experience with the album, I particularly think that Jam fails to deliver her/his message: it gets to a point where it's like "ok, you want to talk about gender, let's hear what you have to say........... ok, gender is relative, I got it............ OK, but what else?............. I'm done, you're annoying me to death". I mean: if you want to convey a so important message, put some effort in it! It sounds to me as if the whole album was created in one or two weeks. I listened to it once, twice, thrice, then gave it up. I truly don't know if the lack of wizardry was intentional or accidental, but, whichever, All Love's Legal didn't reach me.
I mean, she must know that she isn't in the position of having a huge fanbase and that her message would not have a huge impact anyway. to reach that, she probably would have to change her sound, which is in my opinion a lot more challenging than the lyrics. she might be narrowed as an only political artist with All Love's Legal but since the gender switching in W and her long friendship with the Knife it was no news that she'd go into that direction. she's been always like that. with this album I see PTR more as a start of a movement to motivate more artists to include gender equality and other social political topics in their works. if you look at Beyoncé's Flawless you can see that there is definitely interest in taking these topics more into the mainstream where they would defintiely reach a wider audience.
v I can totally get your point and even further I guess that's the reason why many artists don't put much political content in lyrics nowadays. by looking at this shoutbox it get's clear very easily that some people actually got a problem by being confronted with lyrics about topics they don't care much about or even find pathetic, though they like the music itself. I never thought about the idea that these songs might have different lyrics to just focus on the music but in the end it was PTR's aim to make it a concept album which is not only forward-thinking musically but also with its lyrical content. it is no news that PTR itself made them easy and straight-into-the-ear so they could work outside the songs, as statements. furthermore she stated that the lyrics shouldn't be taken too seriously but more as cause of thought, brought in a witty way. (which e.g. you can hear in MDD's chorus or Purple Love).
People who don't want to talk about gender will hear. I'm constantly accused of listening to weird music or music, by strange people. These lyrics are probably exactly what the people making such claims would expect and that's not really a good thing. Again, I love the message and the effort put into spreading it, but let's not forget what makes a song pleasant or listenable and if you like this music and can admit it's partly because you love the message, don't act like it's strange when most other people hear it and don't want to listen to someone talking at them about the same subject for an hour. Had people not mentioned earlier songs, I probably would have left the page, assuming this person isn't for me, but it's really this album that is just unlistenably to the point like the Oliver Stone of songwriting.
If these songs really do a lot for you, please don't let my opinion make you feel bad in any way. Its value to you goes unchanged, but I think that the music got lost in making these tracks. Too much message. It's as if the artist was consumed by the need to relay a few particular thoughts to the point of not allowing themselves to be inspired beyond that. Planningtorock is frequently described as "anything but expected" or "anything but orthodox." In these tracks, the actual melodies and patterns are far more dull and traditional than what I'm finding in their previous work and all that's really unexpected or breaking from the norm is the sort of lack of effort put into the lyrics. "Lets talk about gender." No. You tell me how you feel about gender and please do so without repeatedly hitting me over the head with the fact that that's exactly what you're talking about. Also, if there's any interest in reaching new people with your message, you gotta deliver it in a way... 2
This is by far the most interesting shoutbox I've ever read. I think it's great everyone is discussing their spectrum of feelings on the work and with that sort of value in mind, you have to have some appreciation for the work itself because it's a very worthwhile discussion. This is the first I've ever really listened to this artist and I have to say, I was really turned off by the lyrics in the first few songs I heard. Not because I take issue with what's being said, but rather, the lack of poetry and contribution to the song, the instrumentation. At a certain, point, the topic doesn't matter because it just sounds weird to hear someone explaining their thesis to you to a melody without much artistry. You could say it's good because it makes people uncomfortable. I'm not sure that's true in any sense, but it definitely doesn't make for a good listening experience resembling what usually makes one enjoy a good song. 1