the greatest sub-genre of metal on this earth by farr.... no comparison, i've been listening to thrash, death, and black since their existences;... and still, no other form comes close to capturing the true spirit and essence of metal like thrash metal does. I dont think you can find a more hardcore death metal fan than me, and i'll gladly admit that thrash metal reigns king.. and if anyone can argue with that, i have three simple letters ... LOL!
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DM to me sounds more like the self titled (black album) than anything else, but has its thrashy moments. St. Anger had the tin can drum sound, not DM. DM has the brickwalled deaf Lars drumming sound, though i agree St. Anger was a horrible attempt at Nu Metal and Metallica's midlife crisis album. Though the St. Anger track wasn't that bad. That was one Metallica album i could not sit through. Load/Reload i was able to listen to in it's entirety without wanting to stab my ears in the process with fisher price drumming in St. Anger.
"but Death Magnetic was pretty thrashy" >>> Hardly. Plus it's sandwiched between a Nu Metal album with tin can drums and an album to gain hipster credit for being avant-garde and artsy, St. Anger is what Nu Metal would sound like if you removed the punchy groove and Alt. Rock tendencies (asides from the occasional painful attempts at crooning on the title track and 'The Unnamed Feeling'.) Metalheads, please leave Nu Metal to the creative musicians who are actually well acquainted with alternative music, a decent producer (Ross Robinson) and those who write their own bass lines.
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whiskeyhammer95 is another perfect example of how [url=http://i.imgur.com/nrO5NoB.jpg]uncivilized remarks are now the norm.[/url] Any artist who sinks to those levels is guilty of lazy song-writing. After all, the irony is that [url=http://www.stfimages.com/images/2014/02/23/1Gu80Zed.png]despite the 'mainstream sheep' not understanding[/url] shock value is now part of mainstream society. So to reply to your question whiskeyhammer95: "what good does it do besides give the sheep some kind of identity?" Are we the sheep or are you?
" Some prior art may have pushed boundaries of offence and vulgarity but some topics, such as those Throbbing Gristle and Coum Transmissions present, will always remain taboo. " Didn't the Greeks used to fuck young boys?
If anything, using art/music as social credibility is what hipsterdom is. >>> Art is subjective. Social credibility is subjective. Please continue with more vague, matter of fact statements that mean absolutely nothing in your context
"Gothic/Horror literature" that was pretty shocking for its time period. >>> It was shocking in the same way Metal is shocking - Christianity & religion is challenged and the devil is upheld - particularly true for novels such as Dracula in the Victorian era. I fail to see how this is relevant since Throbbing Gristle have immoral issues in their themes besides blasphemy, sin etc.
"It's disgusting, vile & uncultured." >>> "Isn't a lot of the best art called that by someone at some point though?" >>> This implies that 'the art' of Throbbing Gristle is Avant-garde. It is not entirely. The electronic instrumentation may be, but the subject matters and no chord song writing policies of TG are anti-art. Some prior art may have pushed boundaries of offence and vulgarity but some topics, such as those Throbbing Gristle and Coum Transmissions present, will always remain taboo. Besides, post-modernism has since killed of avant-garde and 'art / music' of that nature is no longer relevant in society. Metalheads are so stuck in the past.
" Shock value wears off faster than a crack high (as it does in Metal too.) Look at the cover art of Throbbing Gristle's D.o.A and tell me that doesn't suggest under-age sex? It's disgusting, vile & uncultured." guilty. But it's always worth pushing boundaries.
"Gothic/Horror literature" that was pretty shocking for its time period. "What you describing is a hipster mentality." to quote Malefic, "being 'into' something doesn't mean a fucking thing to me". If anything, using art/music as social credibility is what hipsterdom is.
"Belonging to a "scene", what good does it do besides give the sheep some kind of identity? I have no interest in the drug-fueled dance side of electronic music." >>> What you describing is a hipster mentality. To paraphrase your statement "we as hipsters are above those sheepish plebs with our hipsterdom mentality of a hierarchy." Even if [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvhdR7vJLs&t=2m28s]this Hispanic male[/url] looks grumpy he sure knows how to dance and let loose. LOL! Joking aside, culture is important to music. Look at how Emile Autumn adopts Victorian culture in her ethereal Industrial/Darkwave, or how certainly Industrial bands have incorporated Victorian Gothic/Horror literature rather than the typical shock value Industrial themes of Fascism, Sexism and violence. Shock value wears off faster than a crack high (as it does in Metal too.) Look at the cover art of Throbbing Gristle's D.o.A and tell me that doesn't suggest under-age sex? It's disgusting, vile & uncultured.
"And you still have ignored Boyd Rice being so essential to industrial music." >>> A flawed approach of logic to defeating my argument. I was talking about the overall sound Industrial possesses not whom was important. Your approach was list as many artists and genres as possible and not pin down precisely where the sound came from. Of course part of the sound came from sampling and the heavily processed drumming and vocals. I was just alluding to a source of the beat which is Funk. If you are talking about 'important artists' then you forgot the most important artist of all - Kraftwerk - for the invention of synthesizers and modulators. Industrial owes a lot to the inventor of feedback as well. Commercial Industrial Rock such as Rammstein and NIN owe a lot to the odd meters, time changes and modal riffs found throughout Rock music. Industrial is a very broad palette so I fail to see how Boyd Rice is so essential to all these artists?
Funk can come from a variety of sources (Boogie & Jazz Funk just to name a couple.) Cabaret Voltaire linked Industrial (everything up to and including "Red Mecca") and EBM with Funk. Throbbing Gristle changed their bass strings to adapt a Jazz Funk sound. EBM is often a fusion of Electro, Industrial and Funk. I shall now take the time to take the time to link some Funk fused Industrial from some very important bands in the Industrial scene: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vFoje2CWMQ]Cabaret Voltaire - "Big Funk"[/url], & [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l48tTKtzXFA]"Sensoria"[/url], [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s00T7F2gcQM]Ministry - "Over The Shoulder"[/url], [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2CRynybr1g]Thrill Kill Cult - "Kooler Than Jesus"[/url], [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIr7r0baVs]23 Skidoo - "Vegas el Bandito"[/url], [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QRlIPSrWsI]Front Line Assembly - "Vexation"[/url]
When did I state Throbbing Gristle were "hipster noise?" Einstürzende Neubauten is what I would consider "hipster noise" because they use tools as instruments. However, I do find it amusing how you can claim distorting wind instruments like Cosey Fanni Tutti does with Throbbing Gristle, & the use of the distorted clarinet with Carabet Voltaire, is rated highly amongst Industrial fans for being avant-garde. Yet Nu Metal, such as Jon Davis' use of a whammy pedal on his bagpipes, can't be considered avant-garde? I find it burlesque that Wes Borland uses delay effects with his pedals in a much more creative manner than Throbbing Gristle do with their vocals. Borland is clearly influenced by Industrial (see Black Light Burns) & can play a variety of guitar techniques - everything from finger tapping to Funk and Ambient interludes (where Borland makes best use of effects pedals & delay.) I respect both but Throbbing Gristle is distorted anti-art while Nu Metal is distorted creative talent.
" " I just don't lke faggoty dancy/dark electro 'industrrial'." You misspelt Industrial. You also mispelt revival. " LMAO! The hell kind of browser are you using? ROFL, even Internet Explorer now fixes misspelled words. I like how Trash has become the spelling Nazi, but Trash you missed one "lke". That was a good laugh though. I see the thrash metal shoutbox has been hijacked by industrial music, first annual reports, nuns, biker dudes and quality cheese.
And your hipster accusations are truly amusing. How do you quantify that? >>> A hipster belongs to no scene so they sit at coffee shops on their macbooks browsing Indie review websites & blogs and stroking their neck beards. They have no scene or no where else to go because they listen to post-contemporary music or different music that no one has heard of. Hipsters have no soul - where are the vocal melodies of the bands you listen to, oh right that would make them too mainstream right? Hipsters have no passion about anything that isn't Indie and are incredibly anti-mainstream (as you are with your dance music comments on Dark Electro.) Dance music would create a community of people right? Communities are too mainstream. Too many people gathering together. Dark Electro spawns from Industrial, and more significantly from the Goth club scene, which wouldn't exist now without the original EBM / Industrial dance floor. Dancing is too mainstream, right?
"didn't I just mention Boyd Rice/NON?" No you said. "If anything, it's more akin to tape music, musique concrète, punk and psychedelic rock." 1. I've heard many attribute Punk to Grunge, Metal, Screamo, Emo and even Goth. Some of those may be accurate but Punk gets way to much credit for everything. 2. Listing genres and artists/projects is pointless unless you elaborate. I could learn from from reading Wiki than I have from you.
"general spirit" as in Fuck Music. "20 Jazz FUNK greats." You think that is a coincidence?" listen to 1st Annual Report and shut your face. "just list genres that mean absolutely nothing in the context of Industrial." didn't I just mention Boyd Rice/NON?
"And yes, I don't like dancy type music, it needs to either be harsh & abrasive or atmospheric for me to enjoy." >>> Modern EBM is harsh and abrasive, what do you think it is techno music or something? It has a lot of distortion that is extremely difficult to imitate and craft. It's not just the case of reverb turn up bass, then add distortion. EBM even has distorted vocals, especially the terror EBM bands. It's a testament to their talents that EBM artists can create music with those qualities and make it danceable. Very few artists can make music both extreme and accessible.
"rofl, industrial came from the same general spirit as No Wave, just took different approaches. If anything, it's more akin to tape music, musique concrète, punk and psychedelic rock." >>> I would have expected something as wishy-washy and as that from a hipster. You dabble around the point and sit on the fence and just list genres that mean absolutely nothing in the context of Industrial. "General spirit" aye? What does this even mean? Nu Metal took the 'general spirit' from Metal, Hip-Hop, Grunge, Industrial, Funk and many other genres but the bands have frequently distanced themselves any scene. A general spirit means absolutely jack when quantifying music. If you want to look at what I consider Industrial then the links are there with Funk - certainly with [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l48tTKtzXFA]early EBM[/url], Ministry and Thrill Kill Kult. Throbbing Gristle even had an album called "20 Jazz FUNK greats." You think that is a coincidence?