So many people work under independent tags now that it's pointless to label them under a genre, unless of course you want to label more than half of the musicians active today under "indie" (which seems to be happening here anyway)
Strokes, Franz Ferdinand are not bleak enough to be post punk.
And Indie Rock can't be an analogue of 80s New Wave 'cause 80s New Wave was dark music(as well as post-punk), and Indie Rock is bright music.
"Boy, that was hard. Now can we all get back to listening to Pink Flag and The Scream? "
people take pink flag and the scream "punk" are stupid, thats how people use "post-punk" tag today, to mean "good punk", thats all wrong...
OMFG FAGS TEH CURE ARE GOTHIC LISTEN TO ROBERT SMITH'S VOICE DON'T TAG SHIT AS POSTPUNK. <- There you go, I just successfully trolled in a less intelligent manner than anyone else here. Boy, that was hard. Now can we all get back to listening to Pink Flag and The Scream? Kthx.
um I was joking about fall out boy, and I'm pretty sure they're just pop rock (with teeny influences from punk, emo, hardcore, post-hardcore, whatever). Who said anything about evanescence?! Of course that's not post-punk. Also I didn't mean that anything could be post-punk, I just meant that its a label, and that it shouldn't be argued about so much, because it sort of developed in tandem with punk and many punk bands (and proto-punk) went on to be post-punk. Anyway, this tag seems to be fairly well applied tbh, so stop complaining everyone.
Fall Out Boy is post-HARDCORE.
Evanescence is not post-punk. It's gothic pop. Amy Lee might be a pop-culture icon, but she's still using the goth aesthetics, no one can deny that. Sorry. Goth-pop.
Post-punk was kind of a get-off-of punk thing. Bauhaus, kids. Bela Lugosi's Dead. Ever listen?
falllooooooutboooooooy are the best post-punk band so you can all shut your holes.
Seriously though, when punk started, when it was first labeled, what demarcated the beginning of post-punk etc are interesting questions, but there are no absolute answers. Its all based on opinions and some historical evidence. Its not something anyone should argue about so stubbornly or fervently though.
how does that make them post-punk? do you understand the meaning of adding "post" to the beginning of a word? You cant be post-punk before punk existed. Dont get your genre definitions from retarded last.fm. If it came from the original wave from around 1977 IT IS PUNK no matter what you think punk is supposed to sound like. If it came from the early 70s or before it is Proto-Punk. If it came after the first wave it is Post-Punk. Pere Ubu and Television started long before the first wave of what was first considered Punk.
I consider Bauhaus to be both Goth and Post-Punk, to some extent. And that's just based on their sound.
Television weren't Post-Punk, that's impossible. I don't know how you should tag them, but post-punk is wrong. Proto-indierock? New York-punk?