i saw them with jawbreaker at a backyard show in santa monica in the nineties. they were totally awesome! i have a second album called repeat until change, no one seems to know about this album but it rocks. maybe it is a compilation album since there is no mention of it anywhere? i went to see a band one of these guys was in a few years ago (sadies) and i mentioned phleg camp and he didn't really seem to care at all. either he didn't care about phleg camp or he didn't care about me... so what, they rule.