"I think they've past Nightwish as the best in symphonic metal. " I would have to agree with that. Only because I have to consider the whole discographies. I would say DPP and Imaginareum are on the same level as DYU and TDC (my favourite Epica albums). However I like Simone's voice so much more than I do Tarja's which is the reason the rest of Epica's albums beat out Nightwish's Tarja-era.