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The Defnics started out as No Dogs. It was Jim, Brandon and I with the addition of a new friend Bill DeGidio (R. Conn). We met Bill through Mark Vocca who worked with Brandon. Bill and Mark were baseball and fishing buddies. It was Mark’s idea to set Bill up with us. I don’t really remember the details but he did it. There is a “studio” tape of No Dogs recorded in downtown Willoughby at a storefront we practiced at for a minute. This hippie guy Bill knew had a tape machine and we did five or six songs. The place was all plate glass facing the street. I remember one day we were playing and this guy was pounding on the window. Bill was saying “Don’t pay attention to him he’s an idiot.” That guy was asshole murderer Richard Pinto. He kept coming around but I’m not sure if that was the reason that we vacated that spot. After a while we started playing at Brandon’s place in Mentor-on-the-Lake. Bill wrote all of the material for No Dogs although Brandon penned “Hello from Berlin” during this period too. Most of those tunes were used in the Defnics, and I played some of those songs in my last punk band the Plague. Songs such as “No Future” and “Crime on My Mind” were performed for ten years. No Dogs never saw the light of day. After hearing a practice tape, Hudson said we could have opened for the Pagans if they were still together.


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