Shoutbox

  • Phenix_inFlames

    "They look pretty cocky to me. Look at how they seem prideful towards their success in America, as if it was legendary, when their music is just decent." What a stupid thing to moan about. What's wrong with them being prideful with their success. It's not like they sing songs in a language that's more easily accessible in the international community, like English. They're a Japanese band that managed to garner a fan base in countries where people don't even speak Japanese. I wouldn't say they're cocky, but them being able to transcend language barriers is shit worth being prideful about when you take into account that Japan is the only country where their native tongue is spoken. That says a lot about their music.

    Thursday morning
  • Seelentau

    ...I should not have read that tumblr...

    Thursday morning
  • Seelentau

    http://fuckyeahtanuki.tumblr.com/post/69354302668/i-guess-the-confusion-about-dies-name-was-that-on oho :O

    Wednesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    Woah woah woah, when did I come off as a kareki type? All I did was pull info from a few Kyo interviews to help explain the band. As for Miles Davis, I was just referencing to his method of making an album, which relied heavily on isolating each band member. That method was also used by The Mars Volta, and ultimately led to their disbandment. As for the cockiness, I think that's mostly on the marketing and label end of the deal. In interviews and promo appearances, they just seem like "normal" guys. Anyway, who cares about their personal life? I don't like this band for their fame--I respect their musicianship.

    Wednesday evening
  • PetitSagittaire

    [So much cancer] I remember that time when I realised I didn't know much about this band so I erased all my DSS scrobbles and listened up to their whole discography in a row. Damn...Hearing this band slowly morphing from experimental Rock to generic Nu Metal for angsty teenagers was so painful I wouldn't be surprised if I was diagnosticated of cancer, actually. Vulgar & Withering to Death were probably painful enough to do this to me at least. All the period from Kisou to The Marrow of a Bone sounds like an awful mistake.

    Wednesday evening
  • bakemonocunt

    http://fuckyeahtanuki.tumblr.com/tagged/dir+en+grey/

    Wednesday evening
  • bakemonocunt

    they sleep with fangirls

    Wednesday evening
  • Seelentau

    Do they actually have families? I can't imagine that, at all. I can't even (and don't want to) imagine the last time they had anything like intimacy with another girl (or boy, whatever they prefer). Also, are those names you can find online their real names? I mean, Die's is pretty obvious taken from Daisuke or so, but the others...?

    Wednesday evening
  • MLowend

    Not even worth it. So much cancer.

    Wednesday evening
  • PetitSagittaire

    [it's also good that they're pretty humble guys] They look pretty cocky to me. Look at how they seem prideful towards their success in America, as if it was legendary, when their music is just decent. Their discography is so full of faults, if they were really humble we would have see a good album like Arche coming a long time ago.

    Wednesday evening
  • bakemonocunt

    bmwmax10 i had no idea that you are one of those "kareki: i know kyo better than u " fans. japanese bands that made it huge usually don't disband because it's secure job for them. just think, how kaoru would feed his kids when he's school drop out and too ugly to anybody care about him outside dir en grey.

    Wednesday evening
  • PetitSagittaire

    [with their almost Miles Davis recording method] Miles recorded 2 albums in one day. Don't even compare.

    Wednesday evening
  • MLowend

    Yeah, out of boredom the other day I counted how many original, non remix/remake/unplugged/SE songs they have made and IIRC it was 162. That's pretty huge. Also, I may be alone in this but I really want another remake album, or for them to continue to add them as B-sides. Aoi Tsuki was so good during Budokan, I would love to see them rework it. Ash as well.

    Wednesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    By the way, I just did my own translation of Un deux and the theme it conveys fits in with the discussion we're currently having. The song is about pushing forward (first line of the chorus is "kick off the ground and advance!"), despite the smiling memories of the past and the fear of the unknown. However, the last line is essentially, "but is there anyone up ahead?", and it gives me this feeling of desolation you would feel in a space film, honestly.

    Wednesday evening
  • Seelentau

    When I watched their first lives, I noticed that you could already see the direction they would go later. And yes, their collection is huuuge, I currently have 54 hours of dir en grey on my pc, not including their singles, but including some dvd rips. And it's still growing.

    Wednesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    Whenever a member mentions the "tension", it seems that they're referring to it as what holds them together in the absence of close relationships between the members. I think it is both good and bad, and what makes DEG unique. And also why they'll never make an album where all the songs sound the same.

    Wednesday evening
  • MLowend

    Phenomenon is such a great song. It does give me a jam session sort of feeling. Pretsy were you referencing this interview with Shinya? I think it's a pretty honest interview, and he does attribute part of the band's success to not being "too close or too distant". He does say there is tension in the band, but I'm not sure I understand his culture enough to know if he is attaching a negative connotation to it. Just sounds like things are a lot more formal, and still expresses his desire to continue the band and that it's his only real way of expressing himself. I know Toshiya has said similar things as well. I don't foresee them breaking up any time soon, but even if that happened, they have a massive catalog already and I think most, if not all, of the members would continue making music.

    Wednesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    I think that's what sets DEG apart from the rest of the bands in their "scene", and more just a metal band that happens to be Japanese. Many other Japanese bands are too obsessed with image and popularity and that seems to cause friction between the members. Look at how many bands are constantly fighting and changing lineups. They're also part of the modern "visual kei" scene. I think DEG was able to overcome that because they never had to outgrow it in the first place. And sure, these guys are interested in how they look, but they haven't had a uniform look in about ten years.

    Wednesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    As for Shinya's comments, I vaguely remember it, but I don't remember what he said.

    Wednesday evening
  • Seelentau

    It's actually quite surprising that nothing ever happened in the band. They broke up with their ex bassist, formed under a new name, got Toshiya in and bamm, perfect band. No quarrels, no big fights, no break ups or anything like that. I think that it has to do with their cultural background, too. Maybe they're just too "Japanese" to actually break up. I think they would rather disband and reform again.

    Wednesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    I don't think they'd ever break up due to drama. That's one benefit of not being too close to each other, and it's also good that they're pretty humble guys. The only reason I could see them breaking up, fit to their narrative, would be if they've "fulfilled" their goal and hey have nothing left to express. Beyond that, how they operate as a band is up to them, and it's been mostly successful. They may not be as raw and angry as they were when they were younger, but the fact that they're calmer and more mature now doesn't mean they're on the verge of disbandment.

    Wednesday evening
  • MLowend

    I'm unaware of Shinya's comments on that. What did he say? I don't think it matters how "tied together" they are. Their method of writing music is comfortable for them, and it works. I don't see how it has harmed their song writing. ARCHE is very good, right? Few bands last as long as they have while being as productive with releases and touring. Too many bands break up over personal drama. That probably won't ever happen with Dir en grey.

    Wednesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    I think that was certainly the case during DSS, with their almost Miles Davis recording method of playing each part alone to perfection. Notice how there were no "shots in one take" from that album and the fact that it took years to (almost) nail those tracks live. It may just be me, but I think their methodology changed when they made STU. Rather than each member trying to outdo each other, there's a focus on the band's sound as a whole. Because of that, the song gives off a Vulgar feeling to me. Also, I read in a Kyo interview that they started working on STU right as sukekiyo was finishing up Immortalis, so this is definitely a recent phenomenon. Speaking of Phenomenon, doesn't that song sound like the product of a jam session?

    Wednesday evening
  • Pretsy

    Feel free to debunk my theory on strong antisocial characteristics of band's everyday interaction being somewhat harmful in their songwriting :)

    Wednesday evening
  • Pretsy

    If you people consider their current songwriting methods (which include, if we were to quote the guys themselves, "not talking, but just probing each other" + basically sending emails to each other IN THE SAME ROOM w/o verbal communication) to be something that "ties them together", then you're totes dead wrong - did people forget about Shinya's latest (~2013) comments concerning "what if your band disbands"-situations?

    Wednesday evening
  • MLowend

    of course that could be up to editing too. Anyway, I've seen them a few times live and they never really seem to lack energy, but the stages they play here in the states are usually a lot smaller than the ones we see in DVDs.

    Wednesday evening
  • Seelentau

    They used some backing tracks on the dvd, yes. Not only for the guitars, but also for the vocals. It surprised me a bit, tbh^^

    Wednesday evening
  • MLowend

    I guess I see those kind of on stage antics as a sort of fan service they've left behind. Their music is a lot more serious these days, it would seem odd if they acted jubilant on stage now. Also, I'm pretty sure they're playing to a recording on the Osakajo Hall DVD that allows them to do things like that. Notice during Aoi Tsuki that the guitars continue to play while neither Die or Kaoru are actually playing guitar.

    Wednesday evening
  • Seelentau

    Sadly, I haven't. But I watch their lives, which should be enough to form an opinion, shouldn't it?

    Wednesday evening
  • V-Mayatnik

    I fly in open space when I see live Hageshisa from Arche DVD

    Wednesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    Have you seen them live yourself?

    Wednesday afternoon
  • Seelentau

    Have you watched the DVDs I mentioned? I wish they would at least do some more stuff on stage, like standing next to each other while playing or running to the edges of the stage... except Toshiya (and kyo, obviously), everyone just stands still, most of the time.

    Wednesday afternoon
  • bmwmax10

    I disagree. They seem to be tighter than they've been in the last twelve or so years right now. The difference is that they're older and more mature. Also, I'm sure it would be very uncomfortable to see those guys making jokes up on stage after playing a thematically creepy song.

    Wednesday afternoon
  • karol2d

    痛み!

    Wednesday afternoon
  • PetitSagittaire

    @bakemonocunt What does the music genre have to do with anything?

    Wednesday afternoon
  • Seelentau

    did La:Sadie's exist for 15 years? :O well, but you're probably right, if I had the same three guys around for that long, I'd go mad, too... that would even explain kyo's sukekiyo, hm

    Wednesday afternoon
  • bakemonocunt

    guys you should already notice that they don't give a shit anymore, maybe expect toshiya. they don't even talk to each other. seriously being in a metal band for 30 years really must be painful. check out akb48 if you want to see japanese jumping around

    Wednesday afternoon
  • bmwmax10

    That hurts to think about.

    Wednesday morning
  • MsDiplodocusss

    I wonder if they will release another DECADE in 2017?

    Wednesday morning
  • bmwmax10

    They'll probably reach the other end of the curve eventually, making bad jokes in between songs and releasing greatest hits albums

    Wednesday morning
  • MLowend

    Really though, those tours were 15 years ago and the members were all early/mid twenties. Dudes are almost 40 now. I think age just happened.

    Wednesday morning
  • MsDiplodocusss

    no fun allowed [2] should be deg's official slogan

    Wednesday morning
  • bmwmax10

    They couldn't handle the pain.

    Wednesday morning
  • MLowend

    PAIN happened

    Wednesday morning
  • Seelentau

    Rewatching the Osakajo Hall dvd and tour00>>tour01, I really wonder what happened to the band I see in those videos... I mean, kyo talks to the cam, he's funny, jumps around, the others are making jokes and everything... nowadays, they're all serious and quiet, now it's all about the show, no fun allowed... did anything happen to them that I'm not aware of?

    Tuesday evening
  • bmwmax10

    Reviewers are either shills or attention whores these days, so what did you expect?

    Tuesday evening
  • PetitSagittaire

    That review is not really good/pretty amateurish. Too many superlatives, not enough objectivity. It sounds like the reviewer tries to convince people to buy the album instead of merely describing the nature of the music.

    Tuesday evening
  • MLowend

    It always bothers me when a review doesn't offer criticism. I don't want a play by play of the tracks and generic praise for the band, I want to know why it's an 8.5 and not a 10 (not that I think it is)

    Tuesday evening
  • MsDiplodocusss

    as if that review praises the inferno

    Tuesday evening
  • desert_tree

    New album is SICK. I love it.

    Tuesday evening