this is the first post hardcore band i ever heard, and they completely set the standard. i don't mind a little growlscream in my music, but never to the point where they overpower the clean vocals (especially when you've got someone as good as craig holding a note)
I disagree that Chiodos would be better if they were heavier. The latest album confirms this in my opinion. The "heavy chunk-chnk-chunk" guitar riffs that every other scenecore uses in overly generic.I like Chiodos because they're different.