Avantasia

Tenozuma wrote:

I think some of the songs on Scarecrow are good, and some aren't, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether they are 'metal' or not. I haven't listened enough to the Metal Opera albums to be attached to them at all so I don't have that influence, but with songs like "What Kind of Love"... that's not merely 'pop', pop can be great music. This is just a song I don't like.

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Lionheartattack wrote:

You are taking it too roughly. He's not ruining the original Avantasia albums. He's just steering his ship to another direction. He feels Scarecrow is Avantasia. Or maybe he just wants to have a lot of special guests to his crappy new pop album. Completely depends on the view. I don't mind if something is a band or a project or a grandmother's athlete's foot that is making music - what's the difference? Like the title Avantasia was somehow sacred and dedicated only to the story Tobias created originally. Of course he could have done another project, but clearly he didn't want to, possibly to get those great musicians easier and not having to go through any new trademark etc. paperwork. If it was somehow against what he thinks Avantasia can represent, however, he wouldn't have released Scarecrow as Avantasia. Also, he seems to laugh at people who take these things too personally. ^^

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Quispiam wrote:

Enforceris: You keep getting back to the point "if it has been done before it's not exploring". It's exploring to him, isn't it? If you wrote the best song in the world (no matter genre, style, whatever) and then heard a song that you realised had similar style, how would you react? "Oh, crap" *throw in trash*? Before going on you have to realise one thing: No matter how you feel for the music, you can't claim that Sammet is "lost". He is doing what he want, and if that is good or bad music is up to the ear of the listener. He thinks it's good, I think it's good, you think it's bad. Honestly, I don't think he cares for your opinion.

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Enforceris wrote:

@Lionheartattack|| Avantasia is not a band. Its a musical project of T.Sammet. It was created for Metal Opera and the style of metal opera. Thats what the title implies, that's what T.Sammet meant when he said that he won't make "more avantasia albums after metal opera". If he wanted to release a project which is different from avantasia, he was free to create something like "Scarecrow Fantasia" and go do that. However GUNNING for the same name, clearly implies that he is releasing these albums for commercial purposes.

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Enforceris wrote:

@Lionheartattack || Well look just how well it worked out for metalica and Edguy. :)|| @Elevenofone || The "original meaning" does not mean anything. It could be Tobias autobiography or it could be part of scarecrow storyline, however commercial meaning remains the same - song about feelings and love.|| @MournfulAngel| Tobias does not explore. :) Yes tehere are people who explore the capabilities of music, just look at musical projects Arjen is creating, jus tlook at bands like Cynic or Kalisia or even the whole avantgarde genre. THATS exploring. Tobias is currently just releasing the same old half-pop/half-aor stuff, while being lost in pop space.:)

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Leo_Mattos wrote:

AvantasiaaaaaaAAAAaaaAAAaaAAAaaAAaAaAA....

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Elevenofone wrote:

@Quispiam: I'm not talking about it's connection the The Scarecrow story, but it's real life meaning. The song is about Tobi's career actually, if you have followed Tobi's interviews and such.

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MournfulAngel wrote:

Lionheartattack you arer absolutely right I couldn't put in better words

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Lionheartattack wrote:

I never got what's the point of changing the names. Why shouldn't a same band appear eclectic and have albums with many different styles? After all, you don't have to like and buy everything. Also, it's because of this damn genre ideology we are even thinking about things like that.

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SUPER_GREG wrote:

Wish Tobi got Jorn Lande on more songs in Avantasia!!

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Quispiam wrote:

Elevenofone: Or maybe you should. Lost in Space is the chapter of The Scarecrow where the main character has finally given up his one love (after I Don't Believe in Your Love) and sits alone, as lost as ever. At least this is my interpretation of the tale, so correct me if I'm wrong.

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MournfulAngel wrote:

My God For someone who hates Avantasia so much you comment a lot don't you (Enforseris) Anyway what I really wanted to say is agree with so many here Even though they are bands who like to stay in their comfort zone so to speak, There is people like Tobi Who like to explore more things and Sound awesome PS. I do love the other bands too

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Elevenofone wrote:

Did you just say Lost In Space was about love? If you did, stop making arguments, because your word now means NOTHING, like it always did.

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Enforceris wrote:

And LOL@Comparing Lost in PopSpace with such an amazing song as Painting on The Wall. Seriously. Comparing a typical pop/aor 90%refrain ballad about love to a great song with deep meaning and great lyrics? I Shall refuse to take you seriously from now on.

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Enforceris wrote:

|"@Enforceris: You remind me of a dude I discussed with on Youtube. What is so POP about this album? Tobi has always been fond of ballads/"commercial"-songs (Farewell, Painting on The Wall, Anywhere, Land of The Miracle ). And I must say.. The ScareCROW is much more heavier than the previous Avantasia albums. It's alot more heavy guitars(Twisted Mind, Devil in The Belfry and The Toy Master) and not so much for the keyboards. I just don't get it.. it's not a popalbum. It's a Heavy Metal album. I'm so sick of you ignorant dudes.. you can like or dislike the album as much as you want. Just don't say stuff about the album that isn't true.."|_______| All I can say is that you are VERY sad man :) As I said before I have nothing to discuss with you, since seemingly you are so hellbent on ignoring all the arguments and forcing "omg avantasia scarecrow is teh metulz and awesoam" opinion down the throats of everyone who does not agree with you.

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Enforceris wrote:

|||| "Exactly. I could never be in a power metal band for long, it's a very limited genre and you need other influences to keep it interesting - and that's the same with all genres. I can completely understand Sammet for wanting to try other things, and I don't mind it if the reason is he wants to, and not that he wants money." || Genres are there for a reason. No one is saying that Tobias should not try out new directiosn or add some different elements to the music, but if he wants to create something so different from Avantasia - HE SHOULD DO IT IN DIFFERENT PROJECT. A.A.Lucassen did the same with his Guilt Machine other bands start side projects not fitting their genres all the time. THE FACT that he is using Avantasia name for Scarecrow shows that he is in it for commercial purposes.

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Enforceris wrote:

@|Or maybe you could try seeing past shallowness, going into, you know, the music and the lyrics? It feels to me as if you already made your mind and never actually bothered to listen to the album.| Let's see. Lyrics - typcial commercial direction of feelings and love. No subtle and strange metaphors, no hidden meaning. Song structure of the songs i h ave problem with is really simple, so there's nothing to "question" in that part".||||| _____|

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