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Is DRM on its way out?

- dIVina-comeDIa said...
- User
- 8 Jan 2007, 17:59
Is DRM on its way out?

Wired news has posted an interesting article today, listing seven reasons why the MP3 is the future of the music industry.

From the article:

Everyone knows the MP3 format is used by more devices and people than any other file-based digital-audio format. Most also know that record labels prefer DRMed alternatives such as the ones sold by Apple's iTunes, because they make it harder for people to share music.

But wait -- was that a pig flying past my window just now? Evidence is mounting that major labels may start to prefer the MP3 format, as impossible as that used to seem.

Here are seven reasons why MP3 is the future of the music industry:

1. The labels don't have a choice

When CD sales finally tank completely, record labels will be faced with a tough decision: distributing music nearly exclusively through Apple's iTunes store or rethinking their approach to digital-rights management, or DRM, from the ground up.

Already feeling hamstrung by Apple, there's no way they're going to let Steve Jobs completely monopolize the distribution of their music. Labels that survive the CD-sales nosedive to come could decide it's time to treat music fans like paying customers, rather than like high-level pirates. Instead of launching another PressPlay or MusicNet, partnering with multiple MP3 stores would make more sense.

EMusic is the number two digital music retailer behind Apple -- even without access to the massive and popular major label catalogs -- because it sells digital music rather than digital rights. The labels want Apple's dominance to end, and MP3 looks like the only way to make that happen.

[quote][b][user]dIVina-comeDIa[/user][/b] said: Wired news has posted an interesting article today, listing seven reasons why the [url=http://www.wired.com/news/columns/1,72412-0.html]MP3 is the future of the music industry[/url]. From the article: [quote]Everyone knows the MP3 format is used by more devices and people than any other file-based digital-audio format. Most also know that record labels prefer DRMed alternatives such as the ones sold by Apple's iTunes, because they make it harder for people to share music. But wait -- was that a pig flying past my window just now? Evidence is mounting that major labels may start to prefer the MP3 format, as impossible as that used to seem. Here are seven reasons why MP3 is the future of the music industry: 1. The labels don't have a choice When CD sales finally tank completely, record labels will be faced with a tough decision: distributing music nearly exclusively through Apple's iTunes store or rethinking their approach to digital-rights management, or DRM, from the ground up. Already feeling hamstrung by Apple, there's no way they're going to let Steve Jobs completely monopolize the distribution of their music. Labels that survive the CD-sales nosedive to come could decide it's time to treat music fans like paying customers, rather than like high-level pirates. Instead of launching another PressPlay or MusicNet, partnering with multiple MP3 stores would make more sense. EMusic is the number two digital music retailer behind Apple -- even without access to the massive and popular major label catalogs -- because it sells digital music rather than digital rights. The labels want Apple's dominance to end, and MP3 looks like the only way to make that happen.[/quote][/quote]

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- arcadiandream said...
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- 8 Jan 2007, 22:05
I read somewhere today that the last major label to sell DRM'd cds has just stopped making them. They've decided that trying (badly) to stop people copying them isn't worth the time, money, effort and complaints they get about it.

Which is the yay, of course

[quote][b][user]arcadiandream[/user][/b] said: I read somewhere today that the last major label to sell DRM'd cds has just stopped making them. They've decided that trying (badly) to stop people copying them isn't worth the time, money, effort and complaints they get about it. Which is the yay, of course[/quote]

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- dIVina-comeDIa said...
- User
- 9 Jan 2007, 18:59
Do you mean this and this?

Yeah, great news!

[quote][b][user]dIVina-comeDIa[/user][/b] said: Do you mean [url=http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/08/emi_abandons_cd_drm.html]this[/url] and [url=http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=2007-01-08T190712Z_01_L08881112_RTRUKOC_0_US-EMI-COPYRIGHT.xml&WTmodLoc=InternetNewsHome_C2_internetNews-2]this[/url]? Yeah, great news![/quote]

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- dIVina-comeDIa said...
- User
- 9 Jan 2007, 19:04
Btw, are you an xkcd fan? Love that site.

[quote][b][user]dIVina-comeDIa[/user][/b] said: Btw, are you an [url=http://xkcd.com/]xkcd[/url] fan? Love that site.[/quote]

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- speedfox said...
- User
- 15 Jan 2007, 02:32
Not if the mobile networks have their way.

Right now I'm sat at my desk staring into the source code for a DRM engine for a mobile phone which I need to fix. It's not the phone manufactures who will push the next wave of DRM, it's going to be the phone networks who want a piece of Apple's pie (i.e. iTunes). They think because they can get their devices everywhere then they will be able to sell their music to everyone.

Unfortunately for them Apple beat them to it (i.e. iPhone)

P.S. Yes I know I'm selling my soul here.

Stupid is as stupid dates.

"there was an internal error returned while displaying an internal error"

[quote][b][user]speedfox[/user][/b] said: Right now I'm sat at my desk staring into the source code for a DRM engine for a mobile phone which I need to fix. It's not the phone manufactures who will push the next wave of DRM, it's going to be the phone networks who want a piece of Apple's pie (i.e. iTunes). They think because they can get their devices everywhere then they will be able to sell their music to everyone. Unfortunately for them Apple beat them to it (i.e. iPhone) P.S. Yes I know I'm selling my soul here.[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
- User
- 17 Jan 2007, 20:31
I think the current way DRM works is on its way out. New ways are in the make I'm sure.

Check it out if you haven't already.

Concerning HDCP (DRM for HD material, HD-DVD, Blueray). Both the PS3 and the Xbox360 do not support HDCP but are the cheapest way onto the HD wagon. It will be interesting to say the least to see what the media mafia is going to do about this.

Because HD-DVD copy protection is already cracked. So if the media isn't playable, it will certainly be streamable.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: I think the current way DRM works is on its way out. New ways are in the make I'm sure. [url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/12/14/bill-gates-on-the-future-of-drm/]Check it out if you haven't already.[/url] Concerning HDCP (DRM for HD material, HD-DVD, Blueray). Both the PS3 and the Xbox360 do not support HDCP but are the cheapest way onto the HD wagon. It will be interesting to say the least to see what the media mafia is going to do about this. Because [url=http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/12/29/HNdrmhacked_1.html]HD-DVD copy protection is already cracked[/url]. So if the media isn't playable, it will certainly be streamable.[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
- User
- 13 Feb 2007, 13:20
speedfox said:
Right now I'm sat at my desk staring into the source code for a DRM engine for a mobile phone which I need to fix. It's not the phone manufactures who will push the next wave of DRM, it's going to be the phone networks who want a piece of Apple's pie (i.e. iTunes). They think because they can get their devices everywhere then they will be able to sell their music to everyone.

Unfortunately for them Apple beat them to it (i.e. iPhone)

P.S. Yes I know I'm selling my soul here.
Leak the source and you will be forgiven :D

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]speedfox[/user][/b] said: Right now I'm sat at my desk staring into the source code for a DRM engine for a mobile phone which I need to fix. It's not the phone manufactures who will push the next wave of DRM, it's going to be the phone networks who want a piece of Apple's pie (i.e. iTunes). They think because they can get their devices everywhere then they will be able to sell their music to everyone. Unfortunately for them Apple beat them to it (i.e. iPhone) P.S. Yes I know I'm selling my soul here.[/quote] Leak the source and you will be forgiven :D[/quote]

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- Milkshake8 said...
- User
- 22 Aug 2007, 14:53
Wal-Mart Selling Digital Music Free Of Copy Curbs

Wal-Mart Stores said Tuesday that it was now selling digital music downloads on its Web site without the customary copy-protection technology that limits where consumers can play the songs.

By Reuters
InformationWeek
August 21, 2007 11:06 AM

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NEW YORK - wal-mart Stores said Tuesday that it was now selling digital music downloads on its Web site without the customary copy-protection technology that limits where consumers can play the songs.

Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, said its new MP3 music catalog included thousands of albums and songs from major record labels like Vivendi's Universal Music Group and EMI Group without copy-protection software, known as digital rights management.

Wal-Mart said it would sell the "DRM-free" MP3 downloads of music by artists like The Rolling Stones, Amy Winehouse, and Maroon 5 for 94 cents per track or $9.22 per album. It said the new format let customers play music on almost any device, including IPODS, iPhoneS, and Microsoft's Zune portable media player.

The announcement comes as major record labels debate whether dropping DRM will hurt digital music sales or encourage piracy. Copy protection software prevents unauthorized copying of a digital song bought from an online store, but it also limits where an owner can listen to it.

Apple founder and Chief Executive Steve Jobs has called on the music industry to allow online retailers like iTunes to sell songs without restrictions to give the digital music sector a boost and to give consumers what they want.

Universal, the world's largest music label, said earlier this month that it was testing the sale of songs without copy-protection software and said vendors including Google, Wal-Mart, and Amazon.com, would participate in the drm-free trial.

EMI has also agreed to drop drm, but Sony BMG Music Entertainment and Warner Music Group are still testing the impact of such a move on digital music sales.

Apple, whose iTunes online music stores is the third-largest music retailer in the United States, has launched iTunes Plus, a copy-protection-free music download service. (Reporting by Nicole Maestri)

Copyright 2007 Reuters.

http://www.informationweek.com/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201801405
Web Link is said to remain active for only 1 month

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[quote][b][user]Milkshake8[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Wal-Mart Stores said Tuesday that it was now selling digital music downloads on its Web site without the customary copy-protection technology that limits where consumers can play the songs.[/b] By Reuters InformationWeek August 21, 2007 11:06 AM ---------------------------------------- NEW YORK - [tag]Wal-Mart[/tag] Stores said Tuesday that it was now selling digital music downloads on its Web site without the customary copy-protection technology that limits where consumers can play the songs. Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, said its new MP3 music catalog included thousands of albums and songs from major record labels like [label]Vivendi's Universal Music Group[/label] and [label]EMI Group[/label] without copy-protection software, known as digital rights management. [label]Wal-Mart[/label] said it would sell the "DRM-free" MP3 downloads of music by artists like [artist]the Rolling Stones[/artist], [artist]Amy Winehouse[/artist], and [artist]Maroon 5[/artist] for 94 cents per track or $9.22 per album. It said the new format let customers play music on almost any device, including [artist]iPods[/artist], [artist]iPhones[/artist], and [artist]Microsoft[/artist]'s [artist]Zune[/artist] portable media player. The announcement comes as major record labels debate whether dropping DRM will hurt digital music sales or encourage piracy. Copy protection software prevents unauthorized copying of a digital song bought from an online store, but it also limits where an owner can listen to it. [label]Apple[/label] founder and Chief Executive [artist]Steve Jobs[/artist] has called on the music industry to allow online retailers like iTunes to sell songs without restrictions to give the digital music sector a boost and to give consumers what they want. [label]Universal[/label], the world's largest music label, said earlier this month that it was testing the sale of songs without [tag]copy-protection[/tag] software and said vendors including [artist]Google[/artist], [artist]Wal-Mart[/artist], and [artist]Amazon.com[/artist], would participate in the [tag]DRM-free[/tag] trial. [label]EMI[/label] has also agreed to drop [tag]DRM[/tag], but [label]Sony BMG Music Entertainment[/label] and [label]Warner Music Group[/label] are still testing the impact of such a move on digital music sales. [artist]Apple[/artist], whose iTunes online music stores is the third-largest music retailer in the United States, has launched iTunes Plus, a copy-protection-free music download service. (Reporting by Nicole Maestri) Copyright 2007 Reuters.[/quote] [url]http://www.informationweek.com/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201801405[/url] Web Link is said to remain active for only 1 month[/quote]

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- afz902k said...
- User
- 27 May 2009, 18:46
Well, I don't see how CD sales are supposed to go down even further. Most people who actually "enjoy" music will continue to buy CDs. Those who download music are people who just listen to music because it's a social trend to do so, OR they don't care enough about the sound quality (in my case it's the latter, but this doesn't always apply).

I never mean what I post.

[quote][b][user]afz902k[/user][/b] said: Well, I don't see how CD sales are supposed to go down even further. Most people who actually "enjoy" music will continue to buy CDs. Those who download music are people who just listen to music because it's a social trend to do so, OR they don't care enough about the sound quality (in my case it's the latter, but this doesn't always apply).[/quote]

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