Leader:
vitos
Join Policy: Open
Created on: 16 Feb 2007
Description:
Join Policy: Open
Created on: 16 Feb 2007
Description:
Group for all those who are fed up with current "Loudness Race" audio mastering practices.
Group for all those who are fed up with current "Loudness Race" audio mastering practices.
IF:
THEN
You become aware of a disease of modern music industry - massive overcompression squashing great music into constant wall of noise, JUST TO MAKE RECORDS LOUD, LOUDER, THE LOUDEST!!!
Welcome to the real world, Neo.
So if you just can't stand that your favourite music is being destroyed by our-tunes-must-be-the-hottest-and-loudest-on-all-the-planet morons having no real music understanding - join this group.
Some articles explaining "Loudness War" issue:
To the music industry:
If we want it loud, we'll know how to make it loud! We know how to use volume knob! Don't make shit out of great recordings!
IF:
- you feel exhausted just after a short listening of a new (or remastered) album of your favourite artist
- you hear annoying crackles and distortion in your favourite tracks, despite having very good quality audio equipment
- you often find modern bands/artists with great composition, melody, instruments, lyrics, but somehow their music lacks punch, dynamics, life, clarity and becomes annoying
THEN
You become aware of a disease of modern music industry - massive overcompression squashing great music into constant wall of noise, JUST TO MAKE RECORDS LOUD, LOUDER, THE LOUDEST!!!
Welcome to the real world, Neo.
So if you just can't stand that your favourite music is being destroyed by our-tunes-must-be-the-hottest-and-loudest-on-all-the-planet morons having no real music understanding - join this group.
Some articles explaining "Loudness War" issue:
- The Death Of Dynamic Range
- What happened to dynamic range?
- Imperfect Sound Forever
- The Death of High Fidelity
- Simple Youtube demonstration
- also explained in Wikipedia
- more links concerning this topic on Turn Me Up! website
- and Pleasurize Music Foundation
- Justice for Audio
To the music industry:
If we want it loud, we'll know how to make it loud! We know how to use volume knob! Don't make shit out of great recordings!
Active Discussions
 metawirt commented on
“TT Dynamic Range Meter” (8) Thursday morning |
 stoeffn commented on
“New albums that don't suffer from loudness war?” (60) last week |
 tonique commented on
“Sigur Rós: Epic and (almost) too loud” (2) December 2011 |
 Ton87 commented on
“The Jimi Hendrix Experience 2010 Remasters” (4) December 2011 |
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metawirt commented on
“Dynamic range database” November 2011 |
Recent Journals
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Loudness Wars
by Mark_H |
9 Jan 2012
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My LP's
by The_Estranger |
4 Dec 2010
| 2 comments
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Out now on Haute Magie: William Bowers "Post Modern" CD [RELIC 001]
by SilasCiaran |
31 May 2011
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Shoutbox
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Ton87 wrote:
Oh and Steve Hoffman's forums are really good indeed. http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/index.php You can search google with for instance something like this "site:stevehoffman.tv hendrix electric ladyland best sounding".
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Ton87 wrote:
@ Bolshevized: I've heard MFSL, AF and Steve Hoffman issues with less dynamics than not-audiophile issues. Seems like even some audiophile labels think compression is a requirement to make music sound good.
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Athropos wrote:
Public Enemy No. 1 from Megadeth's latest album: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/pen1t.jpg/ Enjoy...
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rettrou wrote:
Nightwish will do it again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09MTDBb8qro They have a sad history with overcompressing their music. http://dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=nightwish&search_album=
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tonique wrote:
Ok, to be fair, not every song is clipping on that album. But curiously, the songs are squashed but have different peak amplitudes; there's no consistency.
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tonique wrote:
Buffy Sainte-Marie, Running for the Drum: album replaygain -9.55 dB. Bleh. AND IT'S CLIPPING!
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Bolshevized wrote:
Honestly, a pretty good rule of thumb is just to assume a remaster is going to be inferior, unless there are special circumstances (for example, albums remastered by Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab or Audio Fidelity often sound good; if a remaster is done by Steve Hoffman, it's quality assured; etc.). In addition to what people mentioned below, you can also search the Steve Hoffman forums for information on different masterings. That place is a goldmine.
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Maellril wrote:
I bought Seasons in the Abyss about two weeks ago, same problem. The digital remaster is shit and I'm just gonna download a better version.
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Athropos wrote:
Cool, exactly what's needed. So original version of Seasons in the Abyss has a DR of 10, while my remastered version has a DR of 4... Should have known this website before...
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Maellril wrote:
http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/
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Athropos wrote:
Don't know if one exists, but if that isn't the case it would be great to create one. People could contribute by posting e.g., waveforms of the different versions of albums.
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JeffersonBV wrote:
Hi! Does anyone know any website where I can check if some remastered versions clip like crazy? I don't want to waste my money. Thanks!
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Bolshevized wrote:
The good thing about Red Hot Chili Peppers ruining their latest album with more shit mastering is that it does help to raise at least a little awareness about the loudness war. Not likely to be enough to change much, but at least some people will be able to better tell good mastering from bad.
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Athropos wrote:
I recently bought a remastered version of Slayer's Seasons in the Abyss, and two minutes into the first song I could already tell my money was lost. The original one sounds so great, I just don't understand that shitty practice...
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Maellril wrote:
I just took a quick look through my CD collection and this is just freaking horrible. There is nearly no dynamic range in most of the albums I own and the waveforms are just about as loud as it fucking can. So now I've spent my money on a bunch of shit recordings. Thanks, loudness war.
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nichtstuer wrote:
pathetic
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Corn8 wrote:
http://productionadvice.co.uk/mastered-for-itunes/
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Watchful_Eye wrote:
Awesome article! Thank you for the link.
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nichtstuer wrote:
http://thequietus.com/articles/06872-loudness-wars-dynamic-range-compression-mastering
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DraKi91 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPu0DKyGgZI :D
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