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  • ringwraith10

    v Thank you! I hate it when people insist that goth is a genre. Bleh. Then they will want to be the ones who get to define which bands are included in that genre and which are not.

    November 2013
  • TheSybilline

    I like this group. It bothers me to see people who have gone through the pain of being judged, actually go around judging other people.

    October 2012
  • Gothika1993

    We wouldn't be Goth if we didn't have this 'feistiness'. This "snobbery", as you call it, is what is preventing all the slipknot and korn fans from invading our subculture, and hijacking our style. Its the opposite of what we need...

    September 2012
  • kaminekosan

    Holy shit, this group is the opposite of what it needs to be. So much for the "all-for-one" aspect. Damn.

    September 2012
  • Nerothos

    I'm pretty torn between three points here. 1) Anti-snobbery, aka. 'just accepting everything as goth' is just as stupid as is snobbery. There is somewhere a fine line of niveau that has to be reached, else i won't even recognize something as music, yet as "gothic". 2) Snobbery as in "being trve, and sooo darq and devoted to XY-which-is-the-only-trve-band-there-is" is, what pisses me off. That's exact the conformist-b.s. i don't want to have. 3) Mentioning Sisters of Mercy in the same sentence as 'gothic' brings you flaming and hate - by the Sisters themselves, lol...

    July 2012
  • NurVerzweiflung

    Read "My Immortal" by Tara Gilesbie and then tell me we should welcome everyone who wants to call themselves "goth" with open arms. Should we define goth as general as "anything dark"? Ask yourself this, do you want Juggalos included in our subculture? They certainly look the part to everyone else. Where do we draw the line here? This lovey dovey subculture-ecumenicism is only going to perpetuate the misconceptions that make us look ridiculous.

    June 2012
  • Sultanis

    Lady Blablah in charts? So goth man, better being a snob and having your own opinion that being a trendy bitch.

    May 2012
  • Ms_Maleficium

    Snobbery is rife in every subculture that claims superiority in any aspect. black metal, goth, indie hipster fucktards, industrial, you name it. Resistance is futile, get over it.

    March 2012
  • xVictimOfADownx

    I think we should be more concerned with The Beatles Snobs. [2]

    December 2011
  • ChibiFan7

    hello out there. im not gothic but i very much support the gothic subculture scene. every gothic person i've ever met has been super duper nice to me, hugers! every single one of them. not sure i've ever met a snobby one before but that would sure suck.

    December 2011
  • ZelosWilder88

    It goes both ways. I've had other baby bats tell me Fields of Nephilim and Siouxsie And The Banshees arent as "goth" as Evanescence or Marilyn Manson. Its not that the old guard think they're better, it's that they feel like they're the only ones that still apreciate the older bands. The newer goths would be better received if the majority of them weren't getting their info of the culture off of Wikipedia and the media...

    November 2011
  • blaqjack

    this is all Marilyn Manson and Hot Topics fault. the publics' confusion with real goths and (evanasence)mallgoths. In snobby goths' defense. All "cliques" are snobby, you're either not metal enough not punk enough or not goth enough. nothing new.

    November 2011
  • blaqjack

    Goth snobbery will never dissapear. As long as there will be cliquey assholes who want to be the gothiest goth to ever have gothed, then there will always be snobbery in the scene. #2

    November 2011
  • KurtBell

    I think we should be more concerned with The Beatles Snobs.

    October 2011
  • adelinadarkstar

    Then again by reading all these messages I see so much drama in this group already (sigh)

    October 2011
  • adelinadarkstar

    Haha totally love the meaning of this group, I hate fascist attitudes when it comes to the gothic subculture.

    October 2011
  • mothcake

    Goth snobbery will never dissapear. As long as there will be cliquey assholes who want to be the gothiest goth to ever have gothed, then there will always be snobbery in the scene. I'm sorry I'm ranting. Too many kids like that ruined the whole goth experience for me.

    August 2011
  • MrsAdiee

    Rule one of Last.fm: Lady GaGa has to be in the charts of at least 90% groups. [2]

    August 2011
  • PirateDolly13

    "wtf is lady gaga doing in the charts? -.- " Rule one of Last.fm: Lady GaGa has to be in the charts of at least 90% groups.

    August 2011
  • clytie_hizashi

    But again, it's too much SRS BSNS anyway. Life is short, and love is always over in the morning, etc.etc.

    July 2011
  • clytie_hizashi

    Most of the seminal "goth" bands would never admit to being "goth". It started, from what I gather, as the media's term for darker, more melancholic post-punk. It's like calling J.S. Bach classical. The term classical has been used so widely as an umbrella term for all European "art" music after the mid-1500s that the original definition takes a back seat.

    July 2011
  • samtfinsternis

    goth and dark are not exactly equivalent; they are not synonyms. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!

    July 2011
  • samtfinsternis

    this exists because people want to say non-goth stuff is goth...if it were this way for anyone else the same thing would occur. what if people started going around saying britney spears was metal? obviously metal heads would be seen as 'snobs'. seriously stop the blame. nothing is really anyone's fault...it's just a lack of info

    July 2011
  • thordurfrimann

    wtf is lady gaga doing in the charts? -.-

    July 2011
  • Auland

    Hehe...I kind of agree with what this group is saying. Combichrist is still shit though.

    July 2011
  • clytie_hizashi

    So much serious business, so little time. =D

    July 2011
  • MorteMacabra

    I beg to differ: Gothic snobbery is the only way, NEVERTHELESS! it should be applied properly and one must earn the right. If some 16 year old approaches to me in full 'Deathrock' regalia and tells me something like "I'm more Goth than you because I don't listen EBM" well then I'll speak my mind, despite the fact that I listen to many several types of music (I'm a melomaniac above all) I've been around in this Sub-Culture for quiet some time (more than a decade by now). It goes like this: Metal enthusiast (means MOSTLY of your music collection consist in the aforementioned genre, you follow it's FASHIONS and LIFESTYLE)= metalhead, Punk enthusiast= Punk, Gothic enthusiast= Goth. You-like-the-music-but-don't-have-the-looks/lifestyle= someone with good musical tastes, Have-the-fashion-but-not-the-music= poseur.

    July 2011
  • Slit_Your_Guts

    End goths, period. Fuck all the cliquey, superficial, (not to mention crass as hell) parasites in places like Slimelight (*obligatory vomiting in mouth*) and their godawful kind. dead scene. too little too late. you were fucked in the early 90s when the cybers (*more vomiting in mouth*) appeared. at least we can all still watch ropey old VHS copies of The Sisters live at the Royal Albert Hall, enjoy it and pretend the rest never happened.

    June 2011
  • Vodkabot

    @MoonlitAutunm: You are awesome :D I agree as well.

    May 2011
  • MoonlitAutumn

    @Vodkabot: I agree. I like both as well. I have met plenty others like this in real life. Generally speaking, I am attracted to music that is dark in aesthetic and sound. Honestly, I don't feel the need to only stick to the old school goth bands. There's plenty of other bands and genres that can fulfill my desire for that aesthetic. Goth is just what I feel is a shortcut in describing to other people what I like. I like what I like because of who I am. Not the other way around.

    May 2011
  • Vodkabot

    @Inflikkt: I wouldn't say "we hate each other" as a whole. A lot of people that go to those clubs like both, such as myself. I will admit that it's hard to keep dancing when the music keeps switching from one genre to another, though. Thankfully, the clubs in my area try to play stuff in hour long blocks or even have whole nights devoted to one or the other.

    May 2011
  • inflikkt

    i hate gothic cuz darkness is not the point of interest in any of this music for me. i go to goth clubs and have to tolerate all your siouxsie and your christian death just to hear my ebm and industrial. the fighting will never cease... we hate each other (: (i hate rivetheads too, tho) lol peac

    March 2011
  • Nackengesicht

    Well said, but there is actually a reason for all this snobbery. Most of the clubs in my area play .... well, shit. Take out the evil-dark-vocals and you could sell it as some raving stuff (or what else). Most of the stuff in the clubs (rumors say that there are still some playing good stuff) is crap. Heck, I know, everyone has a different taste. Yeah. But I miss the individual, charismatic style from the past. Take Unheilig, for example. Once the wet dream of little Rebella-Girlies and now some kind of "dark - Schlager" (where "Schlager" is the german word for Music for your grandparents) and worst of all: Next to plenty of others bands, it´s called "Goth" or "Gothic" or even worse "Gothic-Rock". Name the genre a different way and it would be ok, but selling beer as whine and vice versa isn´t very nice.

    January 2011
  • ConnlaOlethros

    calling whatever you have a culture is far fetched

    December 2009
  • android9791

    ello!! i just discovered this group. i quite like the concept. goth snobs fucking suck. now, i don't really like people that only listen to the classic goth stuff very much, BUT there is also a very big problem if someone listens to NIN but has no idea who Bauhaus is and still calls themselves goth. you need to meet somewhere in the middle to truly be goth.

    October 2009
  • shoogle195

    I like some pop here and there. I'm absolutely in love with Shakira's new single. I also don't mind country or bluegrass here and there. One of my favorite artists is Gillian Welch who is a pretty far cry from what I normally listen to.

    September 2009
  • LucienFerne

    Also, as there are no discussions I shall post it here. So, everyone has a secret song or band they listen to (Not so secret on last.fm I guess), that is slightly, off the beaten mark so to speak.. Mine is, The Backstreet Boys amongst a few other pop hits.

    September 2009
  • LucienFerne

    Heh, intresting. It is a shame that snobbery is part of a subculture, I am in a few based in Japanese fashion and hobbies and the same thing happens, but perhaps even worse.

    September 2009