Nazi-neofolk bands

Hi, I'm new, I've joined this group because I'm anti racist and anti fascist. And proud to be what I am.
I think that would be interesting making a list of all neofolk bands which are explicitly racist or nazist, bands like Blood Axis for example.

mm, ok, sounds good.
And what about the interview where Douglas P. says something similar to "Race is important, I suck only white dicks ecc ecc.", I can't now reach it but I think you know it. It's a fake?

Where's the proof?

oh yeah, I've found it:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040219144806/www.dagobertsrevenge.com/index.html?ae/musick/dij

It' one of the last questions!

I've also found this:
http://libcom.org/library/death-in-june-a-nazi-band

How much is true and how many are forced prooves? I'm not a blind folk who believes to everyone who says to be against racism and fascism, often these people see what they want, like a chase against the "bad" or for a moment of glory. I want only know how much is true by somebody who knows much than me about these facts. ;)

risingtrees said:
Darryl Hell, who directed the "Behind the Mask" DVD, is a black american guy, so it's kind of hard for me to believe that Douglas P. is really a racist, at least nowadays.

He looks like a nazi. That's all that matters.

I talk about that DVD because is an official release where Douglas P. is interviewed by the aforementioned Darryl Hell, and I think this fact (that I find relevant) can make one doubt that Pearce holds true racist views. By the way, Edisa Weeks, who also worked in the making of "Behind the Mask", is another "non-white" person.

Concerning that part of the interview, he answers talking about personal sexual preferences, and it seems he takes the piss out of that subject.

novemillimetri said:
italian "foresta di ferro" are explicitly neo-fascist

what do you base that on?

just to say, that it's not needed to be a nazi or a explicit racist to be a fascist.

like the original poster, I too would like to know of bands who don't leave no margin of doubt about being fascists.

i dont know them personally i just base my judice on text of theirs songs.
in italy chanting "eia eia allalla" is a rather explicit message.
im not saying that they are nazi activists or something like, im just noting the fact that including fascist militia chants coupled with evola quotes it's a rather explicit message for an italian band, one that definitely doesn't win my favor as an antifascist.

regarding anti-fascist martial-industrial acts i'd like to push "Militia" ; )

well after reading the interview sounds like the guy is a bit confused but not that nazi ; )
not that he makes any real political statement.... but it seems to me that he is more on the "conservative" side

still as an italian and an antifascist the practice of inserting fascist chants in songs makes me unconfortable

(Warning, this is a very long post)

I actually started work on a list like the one the opening post requests a while back- basically a list of the known political views of various neofolk and martial industrial bands, based on their own statements and actions, since I'm both a fan of the music and very opposed to racism and fascism, and the politics of the neofolk scene are such a source of controversy and concern.
I never really finished it, though I might make the effort if there's enough interest, but to sum up the conclusions I drew from the research I did:

If there's actually an openly racist/Nazi neofolk band out there, I don't know of it. (I think there's a few NSBM side projects that play folk music, but I don't think those really count as neofolk.) In researching the list, when it comes to neofolk I came across only one obscure band (Der Arbeiter) who I'm pretty sure are neo-Nazi, as apparently the central figure they derive their philosophy from is Miguel Serrano, who literally worships Hitler as some sort of divine being. From that it's hard to draw any other conclusion about what the band believes, though they aren't open about it.

For the vast majority of neofolk bands, though, there's nothing to even suggest they're fascists unless you count things like using runes in their album artwork as signs of secret fascism (which some people do, and which is just stupid, dogmatic, and paranoid, in my mind), and there's quite a number of neofolk bands, including some of the biggest names in the scene, that have made explicit statements against racism/fascism/Nazism, (Sol Invictus, Current 93, Sonne Hagal, Lux Interna, Luftwaffe, Strength Through Joy/Ostara- references for all of these available on request) and others (Orplid and Of the Wand and the Moon) that have made statements of being staunchly apolitical. Sonne Hagal, in particular, has made an extremely direct and unambiguous anti-Nazi statement, which was nice to see. Many others haven't really made any statements on what they believe one way or another. I will say that there's a couple of those where it wouldn't surprise me if they actually did turn out to be secret fascists, due to the combination of the imagery they use and/or certain cryptic statements made in interviews, but even in those cases there's no smoking gun, and given the heaviness of the accusation I wouldn't be inclined to jump to conclusions.

The martial industrial scene is a bit of a different story, though- I'd still say most bands there are apolitical, but there are some that are indisputably far-right- Von Thronstahl (fascists, and very open about it), H.E.R.R. ("National Anarchists", again very open about it) and, I'm pretty sure, Der Blutharsch. Der Blutharsch is less obvious in their views, but they released a split with an Italian neo-fascist band called Zetazeroalfa and in an interview described a left-wing anarchist band on their label as holding the opposite political position to theirs. I can't say that they're fascists with absolute certainty, but from those two things there's not much doubt in my mind that they're at least on the far-right. (I'm fairly sure they aren't Nazis, though- they played a show in Israel and released a special compilation for their Israeli fans complete with Hebrew lettering on the cover, something I have a seriously hard time imagining full-blown Nazis doing.) Based on various things I also think Triarii and Arditi probably hold far-right views, but there isn't anything I've seen to absolutely confirm it.
(Note that there are also far-left martial industrial bands- see Gaë Bolg and Militia, though AFAIK the former doesn't really express their politics in their music. In general it seems to be a rather more openly political genre than neofolk, though of course there's a great deal of crossover between the two.)

As for Death In June- if I were to go into all the evidence for and against Douglas P.'s supposed fascism/racism/neo-Nazism, it would take a very long time and would contain a bunch of seeming slam-dunk arguments on both sides.
I'll sum up by saying that he's said some stuff which makes me think he has some rather dodgy political/race-related beliefs, but I definitely don't think he's a Nazi at all- among other things, I just can not imagine an actual Nazi playing a show in Israel and then putting an Israeli flag on the front page of his website for a while, in a context where it was clearly intended as positive, as Douglas did. (That seriously pissed off some of the few neo-Nazis who still thought he was one of them, I believe.) Not to mention working with Richard Leviathan, but more on that later. Primarily, I think he enjoys messing with people's heads and keeping the controversy going, to such an extent that it's nearly impossible to say anything one way or another about what he actually believes, and I think that's exactly how he wants it.

On Richard Leviathan- he is most definitely not a Nazi. It's hard to say it strongly enough, in fact- he's of Jewish descent, and doesn't try to hide that or seem in the least ashamed of it. And if that's not enough, he's written songs in tribute to both Claus von Stauffenberg and the White Rose group. These things being the case, I think it's pretty safe to say that any band he's part of is not even close to being a Nazi group. There's another interview here where he goes into some of this more.
As for general fascism- he's not a leftist, to be sure, and seems pretty influenced by that sort of aristocratic-mystic-conservative school of political thought that fascists often are as well, but I think he's about as much a fascist as a libertarian socialist is a Stalinist- in both cases, they may share similar philosophical roots and use similar sounding rhetoric at times, but they're pretty profoundly and fundamentally different. Even if you figure it's possible to be both Jewish and fascist (if not Nazi), it's very difficult to reconcile what he says about Stauffenberg and the White Rose group in the interview I linked with actual fascism, and I'd go so far as to say it's impossible.

So, to sum up, for the most part I would say the neofolk scene does not at all deserve the reputation it has. There's no question that the themes, imagery, and philosophies that neofolk and martial industrial bands tend to be into are also frequently shared by far-rightists, but that does not therefore inevitably make the bands fascist/far-right themselves- that's the same kind of logic that, to flip the politics around, would assume that an anarchist punk band were "really" Stalinists who wanted to bring back the gulag.

ALWC said:
H.E.R.R. ("National Anarchists", again very open about it)
Ehm.. Do you mean H.E.R.R. as a whole group there, or only Troy Southgate?

For the rest, a very nice read. I'd like to read a complete document and stuff, if you have any such thing handy. You might also want to get in contact with the person currently writing a book on neofolk. They might be very interested in your documentation.

I might be uninformed but who is this person that you speak of?