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What’s your view on God, Jesus, The Bible, and Heaven?

 

  • What’s your view on God, Jesus, The Bible, and Heaven?

    In my opinion God is the one that created the whole world and everything in it in 7 days, Jesus came to the world to die on a cross for our sins so we could get to heaven, The Bible is Gods word living and relevant, and Heaven is where we go after we die (if we're a Christian). I view a Christian as someone that believes that Jesus was the son of God, that he came to die on the cross for our sins, and that he rose from the dead on the third day, and he will come back some day.

    "He who fling mud, generally loose ground."
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  • could quote that. Totally agree with that, although if you go further into detail every Christian will have a bit different opinion, none believes exactly the same.

    I also believe "in" Satan, resp. that there is satan etc. and that the day will come and all Christians will ascend to heaven and after that earth will be a terrible place etc.

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    • wimme said...
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    • 4 Jun 2006, 10:38
    It's all true and that Day will come, but don't take salvation so lightly.
    Nowhere the Bible gives such simple definitions as to what a christian is.
    Nowhere it says that ALL christians go to heaven.
    We have come to a time now where churches only tell people what they like to believe! When someone is told that he's saved, he'll end his search for eternal life right there. That is how even christians will be lost! Please be careful. Don't just take my word for it, the Bible must confirm it for you.
    Jesus died for the sins of all the Father had given Him, for the sins of many. A remnant will be saved (which will be a great number at the End of course) and hell will be heavily populated. Remember the Book of Life? The parable of wheat and tares? Of the vineyard and the figtree?

    Statements like these are all throughout the Bible, I'll just finish with these: Matt 7:21-23 and Luke 13:27-30.
    wimme

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  • it's hard 2 belive! <_>

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  • I think the question is more what IS a christian, what makes somebody a christian.
    Well, I think it's the contact to jesus, take jesus like a real friend.
    This is all, you care what he thinks about you and your stuff, tells you what to do and best you do that. Hard to explain.

    I don't go to church but in a youth church now and then, as alternative for partying.
    I have good friends which are christians too and talking about our belief is importatant for me. Still i think, even if i'm a christian, or just BECAUSE I'm a christian I can enjoy life greatly. :D

    what is hard to believe oystein? It ain't if you can feel jesus yourself... it's amazing, all the love... Jesus is there, you just need to call him.

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  • he don't wanna hear me!.

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    • wimme said...
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    • 4 Jun 2006, 17:16
    He hears you. He hears every little thought that crosses your mind. He knows every little thing you love or hate. There still is hope. Try to get rid of the hate if there is any.

    I see this as an important key to a right relationship with God. This is tough in some cases:
    when someone doesn't want to be treated as a child anymore (rebellion);
    when someone had a wrong relationship with his parents (abuse, divorce, adoption...);

    The second key is, that the Bible makes all the statements about what a correct father-son relationship should be like. Your eartly ideas about this are not the reference.

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  • Trust me Oystein, you'd be surprised at what he would want to hear... He heard me, so you shouldn’t have any problems with getting him to hear you.

    "He who fling mud, generally loose ground."
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  • i hope that :)

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  • Re: What’s your view on God, Jesus, The Bible, and Heaven?

    Quoth joshuadirks:
    In my opinion God is the one that created the whole world and everything in it in 7 days, Jesus came to the world to die on a cross for our sins so we could get to heaven, The Bible is Gods word living and relevant, and Heaven is where we go after we die (if we're a Christian). I view a Christian as someone that believes that Jesus was the son of God, that he came to die on the cross for our sins, and that he rose from the dead on the third day, and he will come back some day.

    i just though i'd quote it and yeah. but definately to expand, it is not enough that "someone that believes that Jesus was the son of God, that he came to die on the cross for our sins, and that he rose from the dead on the third day, and he will come back some day". because people can (hard to believe, yes) believe that and still not care. its more than just believing that, its about asking for fogiveness, and taking Him as your savior AND lord.

    as far as going to church, i find it sad that so many claim to be christians and say they are saved because they go to church, or have been confirmed. it is these people that are sometimes the hardest to reach because (as Wimme said) "When someone is told that he's saved, he'll end his search for eternal life right there". these people believe they are saved so they dont look for more. but i dunno. its tough to know that he's there sometimes and others its like WOAH...

    kinda off topic, but oh well.

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    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 11 Jun 2006, 04:12
    not off topic at all... people will just stop.
    Christianity is about taking your life and living it as Jesus did. The life God led by becoming man is the example which we are to set our own by... WWJD? ... The phrase we learned in sunday school is so often forgotten as we grow up. Continue to search for truth.

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  • Wow... who would have thought that I would be able to start something like this with just a simple question... and Yes, "what would Jesus do" but the thing is that people don't live like they are asking themselves that question (I'll admit, I've done it myself at times). I try to follow God, but I'm a fallen man so I can't do every thing right, but I can try and thats all God asks for (that and acepting what Jesus did on the cross for us)

    "He who fling mud, generally loose ground."
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    • wimme said...
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    • 11 Jun 2006, 21:25
    What Jesus did on the cross was a very serious matter.
    The reason why God gives us an idea of what it's like to give up your only child in this awful story (which was back then just something that truly happened, historically) long before Jesus came, was to give us an idea of how serious the matter really was to him, and to show us still today that giving His only son WAS part of His big plan!

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    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 17 Jun 2006, 10:41
    "We have come to a time now where churches only tell people what they like to believe! When someone is told that he's saved, he'll end his search for eternal life right there. That is how even christians will be lost!" ~wimme
    "Well, I think it's the contact to jesus, take jesus like a real friend.
    This is all, you care what he thinks about you and your stuff, tells you what to do and best you do that. Hard to explain." ~Triliader
    .. well said! my view on God is a bit different, but i hope you can see that there is method to my madness - I believe that the "force" we call "God" is actualy our own consciousness .. men simply separated the two so they could blame anyone or anything but themselves for their actions or their consequences , or just not taking merit for their decision making .. then they invented the Church .. well someone had to have some financial benefit from all this .. don't take me wrong, I think the Church's purpose is viable .. but I think that the priests, or whatever you call them, should be among people, "befriending" them, not locked in their golden palaces waiting for merciful ppl to shower them in money & stuff .. this is what I came to learn 'til now ..

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  • Yes i think there's a big difference between faith and church.
    I can't agree with you saying the church is only to earn money with, today, but I think in Middle Age this was the catholic Church's only use, more might, more money.
    This all was a shame and it's still a shame that the catholic church today still can't give in and say that they've done a fucking real shit.
    Catholic Church in the M.A. is compareble with today's sects.

    But about the golden halls today, they're all from the those days in the Middle Age and the churchs they build today are not really "golden" anymore.
    Still I think if they would do what Jesus would, they should sell it all and use it otherwise.
    Also, the evangelic Church is a lot different (I'm proud to be NOT a catholic, don't wanna offend catholics tho, many catholics don't care about the pope anymore anyway)

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    • wimme said...
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    • 17 Jun 2006, 17:06

    Re:

    Quoth red_wing_pigeon:
    ... my view on God is a bit different, but i hope you can see that there is method to my madness - I believe that the "force" we call "God" is actualy our own consciousness .. men simply separated the two so they could blame anyone or anything but themselves for their actions or their consequences , or just not taking merit for their decision making .. then they invented the Church .. well someone had to have some financial benefit from all this .. don't take me wrong, I think the Church's purpose is viable .. but I think that the priests, or whatever you call them, should be among people, "befriending" them, not locked in their golden palaces waiting for merciful ppl to shower them in money & stuff .. this is what I came to learn 'til now ..

    Wherever you have learnt it, it did not come from the Bible! There's method to any madness, you know. Don't take this personal: you surely are not the only one to reason this way. Your post is a well written representation for the others too, so allow me to comment on it.

    The only view on God comes from the Bible. Not anyone's opinion should interfere (not mine or the pope's either). Here's the Bible's story about God, our consciousness and blaming others. As you can see, our consciousness and our nature to blame others are a result of the fall of mankind, the "original sin". Today, we still have to cope with this consciousness that by nature, creates other ideas of who God really is, in an attempt to hide from the real God.

    Secondly, men did not invent church. God (+ Jesus + Holy Spirit) instituted it himself! Its purpose was mainly to spread the word of God (Bible) throughout a time when there was no printing technology and very few people could read (and its money was to be spent for that purpose). We read also that this purpose will not remain the same forever: the time will come when not one stone will be left on another! Allowing divorce and remarrying, women teaching, sexual immorality, abuse of scriptures to make money, teaching false gospels, homosexual priests... the list goes on and on and it's all contrary to the Bible and I don't have to tell you that either because it was all prophesied in Rev 2 and 3.
    Do you recognize the time of God coming to us??

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  • There are many twisted froms of the Church today that shouldn't be here... thats where I think that Red_wing is getting his view that "priests... are locked in their golden palaces waiting for merciful people to give them money and stuff". I will say that in the past (and present day) there are/were Churchs/religious cults that the leaders just sit there any take money from people who have had the wool pulled over their eyes, but thats not what God intended (he is not just a "force/our consciousness"). God intended the Church to be a place for belevers to gather, study the word (bible), and the spread the word throughout the word to the nonbelevers so that the kingdome of God may increase. "God is willing that none should parish (go to hell)" So I'm going to do my best to be different, and make people wonder what/who God is.

    "He who fling mud, generally loose ground."
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    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 18 Jun 2006, 13:27
    Thank you for offering me some valuable insight, Wimme. And, yes, Joshua, I am reffering to the twisted ways that the Church maintains its influence on people. "Secondly, men did not invent church." - I think that's half right, Wimme - I am not talking about God's institution, but man's making ..Nowadays, the Church is far from what God intented .. Ofcourse that's how I see it from this part of the world (eastern Europe) and at my age (18).. I am not as knowledgeble as Wimme in matters of religious literature (and ashamed of that), but I can see the inadequate conduct of Church officials.. For example, in my traditional orthodox country, the Church is "fighting" the state for land and funds to build the biggest church in this part of Europe or something like that.. I think you call it a bishopric .. For a year now we've been having some severe weather conditions and a lot of ppl have lost their houses .. The Church simply won't give up its demands.. The state barely gives these ppl something, but our Church hasn't done anything.. so wasn't the Church supposed to help ppl, be merciful & so on .. Btw, Triliader, they still make orthodox churches' cupola golden.. not from gold, but still golden .. as if the usual construction materials weren't holy enough if they're not shiny..

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    • wimme said...
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    • 18 Jun 2006, 21:40
    It looks like you got it completely right this time! ;-)
    In particular about inadequate conduct of the churches. As the scriptures say that "not one stone will be left on another", we can also be sure that that will never get any better again.
    Read the passages again, also from my first post. If you would ask a number of times about such verses in your church, chances are you're not even allowed in anymore! How's that for inadequate conduct?

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    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 19 Jun 2006, 04:34

    Re:

    Quoth Triliader:
    Yes i think there's a big difference between faith and church.
    I can't agree with you saying the church is only to earn money with, today, but I think in Middle Age this was the catholic Church's only use, more might, more money.
    This all was a shame and it's still a shame that the catholic church today still can't give in and say that they've done a fucking real shit.
    Catholic Church in the M.A. is compareble with today's sects.

    But about the golden halls today, they're all from the those days in the Middle Age and the churchs they build today are not really "golden" anymore.
    Still I think if they would do what Jesus would, they should sell it all and use it otherwise.
    Also, the evangelic Church is a lot different (I'm proud to be NOT a catholic, don't wanna offend catholics tho, many catholics don't care about the pope anymore anyway)
    I'm sorry but to say that is ignorant and rude... yes the catholic church was corrupt in the middle ages with the kings puting other power hungry people that please him as head of the church but that doesn't make the catholic faith wrong or the church now wrong. We've come a long way from that age. Every Christian sect branched for the catholic faith so I find it very reassuring to know that what I believe goes straight back to jesus... not from some man who said oh this isn't right and started their own "church" ... That is not to say any protestant church is inferior because I believe that since God is infinite all paths to God are infinite... anyway the catholic who doesn't care about the pope anymore really isn't deep in the faith... but It's all a matter of opinion these days it seems though.... :( If you want to say the catholic church is wrong your going back to your roots and telling them they were wrong... The people of power may have been wrong and since that is all anyone focuses on the faith goes down with them.
    sorry for the rant. but lets not attack faith

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    • besnowy said...
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    • 19 Jun 2006, 08:51
    Sorry to advertise here, but I thought I might as well. For all you Australian's [and other's a more than welcomed] http://www.YouthWAR.com/forum [Youth With A Reason] Is a sight that helpd me grow in my faith. It's basically a group of Australian Christians who know what it's like to be confused in their faith, and that's why it ws created. People from allover are free to express their views and Christian beliefs here. Truly an amazing Godsent, I fully recommend it [even though, nobody even knows me, so my recommendation means nothing!]

    Anyway. My faith has been structured around the Lutheran sect. My father is a pastor, and has raised me to be the same as him [religion-wise]. I truly believe that the Lord, my God, is real. The bible is fact! And when God's son Jesus died, we no longer have to suffer for our wrong-doings. Just like children to a father, we want to please our dad, so even though we are forgiven, we still want to strive to be more like our old man, and please him!

    I think Sects or denominations are a good thing. Don't ask me why, but I tihnk it's awesome that people are given the chance to find a place of worship where they are confortable [imagine if all church was the same.. it'd get boring... I think denominations are like different flavours... you gotta find your fave!] Don't get me wrong - we all have the same God, and we all worship him in our own way, but all there will always be people who interpret things differently! Even non-denominational churches, and those who consider themselves "only in it for God" must have something wrong ['cause nobody's perfect... except Jesus!]

    I worship every sunday, and pray and read my bible each night. There are some things in God's word that I find hard to follow, but that doesn't stop me from trying!

    Peace & Love guys,

    Keep the faith

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    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 20 Jun 2006, 02:06

    Re:

    Quoth besnowy:
    I think Sects or denominations are a good thing. Don't ask me why, but I tihnk it's awesome that people are given the chance to find a place of worship where they are confortable [imagine if all church was the same.. it'd get boring... I think denominations are like different flavours... you gotta find your fave!] Don't get me wrong - we all have the same God, and we all worship him in our own way, but all there will always be people who interpret things differently! Even non-denominational churches, and those who consider themselves "only in it for God" must have something wrong ['cause nobody's perfect... except Jesus!]

    True and thats what's great about christianity everyone can find a place to fit in and love God and worship.

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  • Wimme,
    While what you said is all true, it is important to remember that our God is a living God. And, of course while there are no Gospels of present times, it is important to remember that God does exist NOW in the 21st Century.

    If you're pro-choice
    Than you're pro-kill
    Innocent bloodshed
    Murder at will ~3NIV
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  • wimme said:
    It's all true and that Day will come, but don't take salvation so lightly.
    Nowhere the Bible gives such simple definitions as to what a christian is.
    Nowhere it says that ALL christians go to heaven.
    We have come to a time now where churches only tell people what they like to believe! When someone is told that he's saved, he'll end his search for eternal life right there. That is how even christians will be lost! Please be careful. Don't just take my word for it, the Bible must confirm it for you.
    Jesus died for the sins of all the Father had given Him, for the sins of many. A remnant will be saved (which will be a great number at the End of course) and hell will be heavily populated. Remember the Book of Life? The parable of wheat and tares? Of the vineyard and the figtree?

    Statements like these are all throughout the Bible, I'll just finish with these: Matt 7:21-23 and Luke 13:27-30.
    wimme


    well said.

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  • I could go on for days about my personal views and what I have been taught to believe, Iam, For one a Christian and believe in the Lord.. God has really brought me through so much, And I mean so much, Been through near death, Interpersonal anguish, Everything, I have been there and done that.. So for people who do not happen to believe in the Lord, I feel sorry for them and it is very sad.. But I would like to say that 95% of Christians think that they are so "Godly" And think that by judging another person is the way to go.. That is why Christianity is looked upon as the "Hypocrite" religion because of what people make it out to be by their own beliefs and their own way, Which is not the way of the truth, They are blind and want to treat anybody as they please, Churches expect you to kiss their rear just so that they will help you in your time of need.. I do not at all follow the Christian rule as what people tell me to, I follow what God says, They are not God they have no room to judge me and my life and my circumstance, Why do you think people never want to attend church? Because of how they are thrown into fear and think they are going to hell for every littlemistake that they commit! These preachers are confusing everyone into thinking that God is out to judge you and condemn you and everything else if you do not play by what Iam preaching about.. I do not go to church for the sake of my temper and everything because if someone starts talking to me and wants to sit there and say something that I do not agree with and judges me for what Iam and my situation, Iam going to tell them about themselves and they wont like it.. LoL.. People have seriously forgot about Jesus.. And what he would do.. They are following what a man says each Sunday! Not what God says! It is going to be scary come judgment day and people are standing there thinking that they are getting by on Earth, Boy, It sure is going to be one rude awakening.. I have my own sins to deal with and I know I have an account with the Almighty, But at least I know how to treat people with respect and not look down on them just for being poor, God does not at all deal with everyone in the same way! Why cannot people understand that.. While someone else is blessed with prosperity, Another may not.. They want to look at you like what the hec,k is wrong with you(Iam trying to refrain from cussing) And want to look down on you as you are the scum of the Earth.. Oh Look at me, I have a RollsRoyce and a Mansion on the hill.. God is not dealing with me in that way, Get the heck off of my case.. I do not follow Religion, I follow God.. And what the Bible says, Not what another human says..

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