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  • mernst1030

    John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    February 2013
  • jabman-1

    John 6;21-23 NIV 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

    October 2012
  • XC4Life

    The natural world seems to scream out the glory of God.

    September 2012
  • EricTrott

    I believe that the surest way to be sure that you are not saved is to not be sure. To believe in Jesus is to 'know Him' as your Lord and Saviour. Not just 'know about Him'. I know this may sound simplistic to some but as someone said, the problem with the Gospel is that it is both 'profoundly simple' and yet 'simply profound' at the same time. And it is a problem to those who do not believe and not to those who do believe.

    August 2012
  • Lissia

    He loves us! I Love You Jesus!!!

    August 2012
  • Dennisisgod

    God loves me! God loves you! God Loves everybody!

    March 2012
  • singrundance

    Find me on twitter @tiffanyandwtbmn

    January 2012
  • singrundance

    If you have any ideas for this group or the discussions, feel free to message me.

    November 2011
  • try2keepSmilin

    i love the afters! great vid.

    July 2011
  • edwardelrick

    im so glad im not the only one that believes,i feel happy to kno im not alone,God Bless everyone

    July 2011
  • ISoS

    Evidence of people please? kthxbi

    June 2011
  • UltraJohnny

    I believe in God and people. #Undish - I Believe

    May 2011
  • try2keepSmilin

    your love sets me free... Addison Road – Hope Now

    April 2011
  • the_gray_fox

    WHY HELLO FORUM HOPE YOU'RE HAVING FUN I KNOW I AM OKAY BYE

    March 2011
  • loptimistic

    I've asked myself whether I would be willing to give these things up, and I am not. If I accepted God and accepted that these things would hurt him and make him sad, I would at least feel bad doing them. But I feel nothing at all. Anyway, for now I think I'll just continue on with life until I go off to college (half a year away) and can start making my own decisions apart from the live I've led thus far.

    March 2011
  • ISoS

    Tiffany, I believe you are trying to use reason and logic in your argument. This negates and contradicts everything you've said about God. Obviously loptimistic would be better off not listening to something that has logical reasoning, because that will lead them astray of God, who does not need logic (according to you).

    March 2011
  • singrundance

    God already loves your more than you can ever know and he's knocking on the door to your heart. All you have to do is open that door. Whatever you spend the most of your time doing really reflects the type of person you are, so when you are involved in these "worldly things" do you like the person you are? I don't know if you've seen this video but it's a great reflection of the things we deal with in life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyheJ480LYA

    February 2011
  • loptimistic

    Since last week, I've actually been thinking more about this "believing" thing, and I do agree with what you've said. Acceptance is not a simple action, but because of that, there is so much that is unclear. Acceptance should beget action, so what happens when a person chooses to accept Christ at the very end of his life, when there is no longer any time with which to show change? What happens to babies who die young? At what age is one responsible for one's acceptance or lack thereof? We watched this video during our annual youth retreat this past weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhX7m3rF20c, and I find it makes a lot of sense. Recently I've realized that I pleasure myself in worldly things, but to be honest, my pride makes it so that I don't want to remove myself from that (and if I did, it would be insincere). I'm scared, but I don't think "accepting" out of fear would be true acceptance. So I've kind of resigned myself to where I currently am.

    February 2011
  • singrundance

    (Continued even more :D) Compared to how complicated God is and what he has in store for us after this life on earth, learning to REALLY believe (understand, accept, love, and know) is quite simple because he has it all laid out for us in the Bible and gives us the Holy Spirit as a helper. :)) ((And if you really want to get into a predestination discussion... I suggest you start a discussion ^^ up there in 'Active Discussions.'))

    February 2011
  • singrundance

    (continued from previous) Now ACCEPTING Jesus died for your sins is a little different from understanding it. You are accepting him into your life, and by doing this you are forgiven from your sins, you receive the Holy Spirit, and you accept God's love. By accepting this you begin to become like God because if you genuinely accept His love, you want to return that love to Him. And Jesus says himself later in John 14:15, "“If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." If you love God, you follow his commands and the lifestyle he has laid out as an example for you. And the more you get to KNOW God the more you LOVE him. Believing isn't as simple as they come when it comes to believing in God is it? ...

    February 2011
  • singrundance

    I see what you are getting at here. Many people say they believe in Jesus and don't exactly seem to be Christians, right? Well, there's, I guess, an extra step you must take to truly believe in someone rather than just saying it. To really believe in someone, especially someone who isn't visible, who you have faith in, you must follow them and love them. I think this is what is truly meant in John 3, when he talks about believing in God's son. If you read on to verse 19 he says, "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." Believing, as in understanding, that Jesus died for your sins is the first step. True belief is also accepting...

    February 2011
  • loptimistic

    The question I have about Christianity is, at what point does one becomes saved? The great catchphrase of Christianity is, of course, John 3:16, which states that "whoever believes in Him shall not perish..." If the rest of the Bible is to be relied on, isn't this verse a bit optimistic? It is generally believed that there is more to being "saved" than simply believing in Christ. Romans 8:29-30 brings up predestination. "For those God foreknew he also predestined ... And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." If I am not "predestined," what use is it whether or not I believe? And if "believing" is not all it takes to be saved - as I presume it is not - then why market it as such?

    February 2011
  • singrundance

    Update is coming sometime soon. Thank you for your patience. Hope everyone enjoyed their holidays. Please send me a message if you have any suggestions and God Bless. :)

    January 2011
  • singrundance

    I'll post the next update for the group in a week or so. Sorry if any of you have been awaiting updates. :)

    December 2010
  • 8GotH8

    haha, i'll look into it..... ihave been kicked out olf the CHRISTIAN group too!!! that's why you don't see me there anymore i asked him why, but he never gave me a reason... whatever now am on the muslim group :)))

    November 2010
  • VampyreAngel

    Sadly, there are no differential equations in the conversation

    November 2010
  • RageofAnath

    I think ISoS wanted to see this topic revisited since neither of us could remember the original thread and now he's taken Diff EQ's so its not all bad. Just mostly.

    November 2010
  • VampyreAngel

    @8goth8. Please go to page 2 of the thread wimme linked, and watch how after my post that points out that world population in 2010 according to wimme is 0.018 (0.018 what? I guess that's the least of his problems) while in 2013 we are expected to have a population of minus 642 billion, not to mention that wimme doesn't even know enough math to realise he hasn't made a differential equation as he claims, he throws in some bible verses and then posts a long response that is quite good at making zero sense with the use of coherent phrases. Anyway, it was my mistake to bring that topic back. It may be fun for you, but wimme insults my intelligence more than usual with this.

    November 2010
  • VampyreAngel

    Oh, and however fancy it may seem to you to throw terms like "I calibrated the x-axis in our calendar years", your function used the calendar year. The date. End of story.

    November 2010
  • VampyreAngel

    It doesn't fit my data, genious! It fits a few points in time for which I gave the data (so you already knew the result) and predicts nothing (correctly). That's why it gives looney results for ancient and present times. And I didn't give you any data as a function of our calendar years. There was no function, just data. Nobody said that population can or should be a function of the calendar years except you. Because you don't know the slightest thing about math. If I had a little more brain I'd have given you fake data and watch you make another function that would give these fake results

    November 2010
  • wimme

    8GotH8, the debate you're looking for began around the 10th of May in this group, in the What kind of Christian are you? thread. For some mathematical background about this, browse down to the month of May in ISoS' shout box to find the link. Use t = Yend - Y in (1.38) to calibrate the time axis in calendar years (Y).

    November 2010
  • wimme

    NOTHING is based on a date! It is just one of the coefficients I played around with to make the pattern fit YOUR data. It just looks like a date because I calibrated the X-axis in our calendar years, which is the normal thing to do if you give me your data points as a function of our calendar years.

    November 2010
  • RageofAnath

    Hahaha, that's funny, not how I remember it at all. I don't remember which thread it was in unfortunately, I thought there was more discussion on it, but I know it jumped to shoutboxes at one point. I was under the impression there was a thread that more of us were able to respond to, since a lot of us were banned from Christian a long time ago (and still not given a reason...)

    November 2010
  • VampyreAngel

    BASED ON THE DATE!!!! It's so hard to believe anyone would actually be so unthinkably ignorant!

    November 2010
  • VampyreAngel

    You're deranged. I never said it couldn't fit any pattern. Your pattern was monumentally naive. It was no one's surprise that your equation fit the data since all you did was to take the data I gave you and make a function that would produce it. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY it didn't fit any total annihilation hypothesis. It predicted a population of 100 billion people for 1000BC or something. Something totally normal if you think that you actuallly tried to construct a population growth hypothesis BASED ON THE FREAKIN' DATE. If you were a muslim the year would be DIFFERENT and it wouldn't work. Get that, Mr. "I understand science to a high degree"?????? What an improbable load of crap.

    November 2010
  • wimme

    That debate was a consequence of what I posted in the abortion thread of the Christian group, but unfortunately they got the debate going in another thread. I remember vividly that before that debate, Vampy was convinced that population growth couldn't follow any kind of pattern, so he gave me some data and challenged me to fit it. To our surprise his data fit the hypothesis of total annihilation quite well. The sudden drop to zero is simply a concequence of the hypothesis made. I'm sure Vampy wouldn't want us to find that debate again, sorry.

    November 2010
  • 8GotH8

    @rage of anath which debate are you guys talking about, am interested on reading it, thanks...and please :)!!! as for wimme--- "...You can make a lot of things from your imagination add up if you use only science..." science is not based on imagination, but on evidence and knowledge that you have gathered.

    November 2010
  • RageofAnath

    Haha and then saying ISoS didn't refute the equation when ISoS had actually referenced a real population growth equation from a math book...

    November 2010
  • VampyreAngel

    Hahaha. Com'on wimme. Vanity is a mortal sin. Lying is also bad. You began to see where scientists made errors? The guy with the magical population growth equation that gave a population of zero for 2010 and who... sorry, I'm trying to remember your flood theory but all I remember is what I had made of it, something about a giant bubble around Mesopotamia. It wasn't that, but it was equally plausible. Bottomline is that even though you talk much about your great understanding of science, you've shown no sign of it other than throwing the word "exponent" around at the most unsuitable of phrases.

    November 2010
  • wimme

    I understand both the Bible and science to a high degree. I don't depend a lot on "beliefs" anymore. Everything adds up, and I began to see were theologians made errors or where scientists made errors. You can make a lot of things from your imagination add up if you use only science, but only if it adds up also with the Bible, you'll know it's also true.

    November 2010
  • 8GotH8

    well, if you believe in the bible then i'td be kind of hard for a believer to "believe" in science :O

    November 2010
  • singrundance

    :) Hey music lovers. If you have an Itunes' Ping account, find me! [Tiffany Carter (from Strawberry, Avalanche)]

    November 2010
  • 8GotH8

    c'mon you know what i mean by revelations, like dreams, or god talking to them while they were awake, e.g., muhammed, or the guys that wrotre the bible. ""But God is not good if He sends people to Hell!", although you do not believe neither in God nor in afterlife..."" c'mon are you serious? she's just getting in your postion when she says that! not that she believes god is evil because he/it/she doesn't exist,and she knows that.

    October 2010
  • RageofAnath

    Soul: the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part. / the spiritual part of humans regarded in its moral aspect, or as believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come: arguing the immortality of the soul. / the disembodied spirit of a deceased person. In other words, a transcendent, immortal part of a person that survives death. After all, if a soul does not exist, it makes the whole "religion" question kind of pointless.

    October 2010
  • VampyreAngel

    [[[and even an antichristian would pick this Church instead of someone else, even if the premise of God was not proven to him. ]]] Cthulhu 2010: Why vote for the lesser Evil?

    October 2010
  • the_gray_fox

    Oh, I'm questioning stuff too, maybe I'm turning atheist? lol Anath, I'd like to talk about that, once I get clear in my head what's a soul. Let's not forget that you're the ones who jump in and discuss under certain unproved (to you) premises. Like, we talk about afterlife, you jump in and say "But God is not good if He sends people to Hell!", although you do not believe neither in God nor in afterlife...if you want us to start talking from the very founding premises, stop doing it, aaaarrgh.

    October 2010
  • the_gray_fox

    Goth: gave revelations? How do you understand that? Describe it to me. Some of your other questions come along with that. Johny: that depends. If I were at some 3rd world country where the majority are Muslim terrorists, I would not be able to even learn about Islam, leave out Christianity (and even think about even acknowledging the fact that there are different denominations). If I were in Russia, let's say, I might have followed a similar path, but maybe not the same in the US. Still, that does NOT mean that the 3rd-world-what-if-me and the -US-what-if-me would reject Orthodoxy. I believe that Orthodoxy is the truest path within Christianity and even an antichristian would pick this Church instead of someone else, even if the premise of God was not proven to him.

    October 2010
  • johnny7gun

    Apart from vehicles like this,people are not "converted"to atheism....in the same way they are to religions.I wish that wasnt the case.I would like it if the "religion"of atheism had as much money and power and exposure as the main religions do in their heartlands.It is usually hard for someone to become an atheist....it takes a lot of hard thought for most,as most are forced into a religion at an early age.So basically what i am saying is,i am completely unaware of anyone "affecting"me as you put it...other than my father,whose input was minimal....i was already questioning the words of hymns for years in church!And santa...and adam and eve....and noah....etc.

    October 2010
  • johnny7gun

    If someone affected me,then i am unaware of it.I do know that in my head,more and more of what i heard didnt ring true,(in church)and as i have mentioned in here before,i remember being frightened to "not"believe,as a 14-16 yearold,and finally asking my father if he believed,as i had only presumed he did,(he allowed my mother to drag us thru church)...but he said no,with no other comment...and i KNEW straight away not to be fearful anymore,and i have never looked back.Some people in the world may convert to your religion,but..."....made it easier for me."!!!! Seriously,i presume you know about percentages....what chance is there you would believe what you believe if you were from any other part of the world?Give me a figure.

    October 2010
  • 8GotH8

    gray-fox-well ,the thing is that if i don't ask those questions right away then i forget because when are not talking face to face so the debate is really slow. Your god doesn't exist get this staright! well, ofcourse god didn't write/make/typed/printed the bible but, he gave revelations to the people that wrote it for him, now why would god allow his work to get corrupted? are you goin to answer the other quetions?

    October 2010