Ideas for a better civilization

 
  • Ideas for a better civilization

    What would you like to improve about the Modern World and how would you want to improve them.

  • Change the education system - Instead of telling people what to do, we should put much more emphasis on teaching people HOW to think, so they can later become independent individuals and acquire knowledge on their own.

    Stop the NWO (or whatever it is: just get rid of today's politicians, media etc.) - ya... that's pretty much self-explanatory. This is what keeps us from making progress.


    There are many more, but I can't be fucked to write... I'm sure others will say something interesting.


  • Edited by LordsOfTheStorm on 1 Oct 2012, 19:46
  • Stop Over Industrialisation- We have plenty of citys I do so we should stick with the developed land we already have

    Study Anceint Cultures- Insteed of wasting our time with trivial issues such as reality Shows we could take that time to studyAnceint Cultures and possibly learn something from them, If not interested in anceint cultures then sceince is another good thing to read up on.

    Stop The Mass Media- Self Explanitory, stop buying into the crap Fox and CNN tells you.

  • And Another Thing

    Promote music that takes talent rather then Pop Rap Screamo ect

  • And Another Thing

    Promote music that takes talent rather then Pop Rap Screamo ect

  • Re: And Another Thing

    MrZuesThunder said:
    Promote music that takes talent rather then Pop Rap Screamo ect


    Is that really relevant here? That stuff just sells better, I would be happy If I could just turn on the radio and hear what I like, but I don't think that has alot of negative effect on civilization. About the talent, It may not take excessive skill to play those styles, but honestly, alot of black metal, punk, and also some rock takes little talent to play, too. The level of talent typically found in music of a genre doesn't really dictate the capability of the musicians either.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 14 Feb 2011, 10:31
    1.Get rid of capitalism because it's unfair and it's a system based on how much you gain instead of helping others.

    2.Have a job for everyone not based on level of education.

    3.Wealth distrbution to get rid of class war. +
    More Unions.

    4. stop killing for oil!

    • kp6000 said...
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    • 14 Feb 2011, 15:07
    I would introduce some scheme to prevent over-breeding. ( People in the UK have been encouraged to breed more for a long time, the majority being nothing but a drain on resources breeding more drains on resources).

    • kp6000 said...
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    • 14 Feb 2011, 15:22
    mediabrainwash said:

    4. stop killing for oil!


    People have been killing each other over various resources and territory since the days of the caveman, you cannot change this- it is human nature.
    What is different nowadays is that the politicians do not recognize this.
    If a country invades another for its resources, then they should do a good job of it and forget about the nonsense of 'liberation' and 'terrorism'.

  • People have been killing each other over various resources and territory since the days of the caveman, you cannot change this

    True but Nuclear Power, Wind and solar are all good power systems so we should just abandon Oil and use those.

  • That would be logical to many, but look how much money is being made off of oil...If its profitable, its not going to simply be abandoned.

  • True but its a very Limited supply so it will run out.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 28 Feb 2011, 23:51
    LordsOfTheStorm said:
    That would be logical to many, but look how much money is being made off of oil...If its profitable, its not going to simply be abandoned.


    The trouble with the world is all people care about is profit! If we had no money and just distibuted all goods evenly we would have no hunger,class war or third world countries.

    About oil: look at B.P. and how it destroyed the enviorment and the econonmy.

    • sinisha said...
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    • 4 Mar 2011, 18:33
    Or we could simply move to Atlantis or some other utopistic destination... We have to make a fresh start, a new cycle... which means some serious cutdowns, 6 billions is obviously too much. I believe nature will take its measures, as always, to preserve the equlibrium, she always does what's good for her...and not necessarilly for us too.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 10 Mar 2011, 00:50
    The world would be better if democrats and republicans would NOT always win in the presidential election. Look at Bush he was one of the worst leaders ever and Obama's not much better. Obama is not a socialist. If he was he would not run as a democrat and he's obviously a capitalist. His talk of change was a lie.
    We need a socialist or green party leader or no leader at all.

    • sinisha said...
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    • 10 Mar 2011, 18:44
    mediabrainwash said:
    The world would be better if democrats and republicans would NOT always win in the presidential election. Look at Bush he was one of the worst leaders ever and Obama's not much better. Obama is not a socialist. If he was he would not run as a democrat and he's obviously a capitalist. His talk of change was a lie.
    We need a socialist or green party leader or no leader at all.

    What that has to do with the rest of the world? There is that thing called "the rest of the world", except USA, you know... And talking about political parties in your country, they are all the same, like many heads on a single body. As soon as they get in control, they represent the same imperialistic hegemonistic policy, which is normal for a strong and decisive country. What is worng when it's people deceive themselves how they live in democracy, but far worse when they wan't to spread that "democracy" to the other countries, like now in Lybia...we've seen the same scenario played out too many times to be suspicious as to how it will end, haven't we?

  • All energy from renewable sources.

    Abolisment of planned obsolescence in consumer products.

    Removal or complete overhaul of the monetary system.

    Universal and mandatory education within psychology and philosophy amongst the regular subjects, from an early age.

    Universal healthcare.

    An educational system that isn't 'factory'-minded.

    A system of business, industry and consumption that is constructed in the same way as the perfect system of nature. One being's waste is another's food.

    One major problem with todays society is that mediocrity seems to be the norm. Being mediocre isn't wrong, but just because you can get by being mediocre doesn't mean you should. Every human has immense potential, potential that is wasted carelessly.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 11 Mar 2011, 05:23
    sinisha said:
    mediabrainwash said:
    The world would be better if democrats and republicans would NOT always win in the presidential election. Look at Bush he was one of the worst leaders ever and Obama's not much better. Obama is not a socialist. If he was he would not run as a democrat and he's obviously a capitalist. His talk of change was a lie.
    We need a socialist or green party leader or no leader at all.

    What that has to do with the rest of the world? There is that thing called "the rest of the world", except USA, you know... And talking about political parties in your country, they are all the same, like many heads on a single body. As soon as they get in control, they represent the same imperialistic hegemonistic policy, which is normal for a strong and decisive country. What is worng when it's people deceive themselves how they live in democracy, but far worse when they wan't to spread that "democracy" to the other countries, like now in Lybia...we've seen the same scenario played out too many times to be suspicious as to how it will end, haven't we?


    I'm well aware that the United States is not the world. I was pointing out what was wrong with the country I live in. What happens in one country often effects the rest of the world.

  • To my mind, we can't develop a better civilization than we have, unless we go back. Because the human nature blocks the way into better, purer, truer civilization. We just consume and consume and the more we do that, the less we can control ourselves and the motor which we started long ago. The main problem is capitalism, because due to it, the modern world is spinned by money instead of love.
    There are many issues which are wrong. Too many. All of which are based on capitalism or the lust for power, which is a similar thing and they're related to each other. For example deforestation, usage of atomic power, education adapted for raising labour force, denial of archaic traditions, various adaptations in all aspects of life to make people stupid and without opinion, etc.
    All we can do is wait until our civilization dies again (as, in my opinion, the same scenario is being repeated over and over again in our world - a civilization is raised up to a certain point when it can't cope with itself and it just dies with all humans, until another human or human-like race is born to build another civilization) and just enjoy the time we have. We could fight, of course, but the majority, which is formed by fanatics of materialism, always wins over minority. If we had more thinking people, we wouldn't have such problems at all. :) On the other hand, I'm feeling bold too, because understanding is one thing and acting is something much more difficult...

    P.S. I agree with every word which LucianLuciferi wrote.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 26 Mar 2011, 20:28
    I agree with Razor745 (as well as with many other people here),
    it's terrible how the education system works now. It is effectively preparing kids for real life battle - it gives them basic set of information (history, literature, biology, ect.) and it stretches their brain (math) BUT it doesn't teach the kids how to think in philosophical level. I'm not talking here about discussing deep philosophy with small kids - I'm talking about discussing with kids (elementary school, high school) meanings of their actions, how to deal with their feelings, what is aim of their life, good vs. evil, ect.

    For example:
    I remember when we spoke about 1984 from Orwell in the class - the teacher told us the plot, the political context and that's all (5 minutes). I looked around the class on all the evil stupid kids and I wanted to talk about deeper thoughts in this book with them, about the reasons that led to this situation (opression), ect.!!!
    The point of knowing 1984 is not that everyone just have to know that it's anti-communist book (mostly without reading it) - the point is read the book and think about it - THINK! - that process is missing... We create uncomplete people capable of fitting into society and working for it - but they are often as cold as death in their hearts...

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 26 Mar 2011, 22:30
    mediabrainwash said:
    1.Get rid of capitalism because it's unfair and it's a system based on how much you gain instead of helping others.

    2.Have a job for everyone not based on level of education.

    3.Wealth distrbution to get rid of class war. +
    More Unions.

    4. stop killing for oil!


    1. You got it all wrong. Capitalism, at its core, is actually a very good idea. It is an economic system that promotes and rewards those who are talented, intelligent and motivated. Capitalism would have been much better if we wouldn't be helping all sorts of brain-dead serfs, who cannot be educated. This, of course, is mandatory today: providing the people with civil rights, entitlements and social services is necessary, otherwise, the capitalist system won't be working (people would simply "revolt" or strike and demand "freeeedommm!!@@!#!"). Capitalism could have been much better if only certain people, who happen to be competent and creative, would have been rewarded. The problem is: our society, in its egalitarian premises, provides a rather fertile ground for all sorts of pathetic assholes to be rich.

    Aside from the fact capitalism is a rather sour materialistic system, capitalism is problematic only because the consumers are dumb, and cannot be anything else but dumb-asses. People are a priori corrupt, dumb, lazy, incompetent and lethargic - this is the true story behind all the alleged unfairness of life. They get tricked into buying dumb stuff, and the dumb stuff is invented exactly because someone, who might actually be full of good and pure intentions, they want and demand more shiny dumb stuff.
    Then the herd blames the corporations and the capitalist pigs, but they always forget there are two sides in capitalism: that of the product-seller and of the consumer. They can't make decisions for themselves and so they fable stories about the evilness and unfairness of the satanic corporations.

    2. You mean...we should hire a TV technician who barely finished high-school to teach students learning for a BA degree in astrophysics? Maybe an autistic kid (you know, the kind that shits on itself) should run for presidency or a high-profile government job?

    3. Why on earth do you think we can get rid of class war? Hell, why do we need more unions?!@ They serve nothing but narrow interests.

    4. Oil spins the world. It's realpolitik, you can't change it - and you shouldn't. If you want prosperity in your country, you need oil. Currently, this is the situation.

    Edited by a deleted user on 27 Mar 2011, 17:06
    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 27 Mar 2011, 00:42
    1.If everyone respects nature and others that would fix the entire world.
    2. Not depending so much on computers. If they all crash it would be hell.
    3. Schools should teach things that people can use in actual life. They sould teach how to get and keep jobs,planting crops and about all religions and culture.

    • sinisha said...
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    • 27 Mar 2011, 15:19
    mediabrainwash said:
    1.If everyone respects nature and others that would fix the entire world.
    2. Not depending so much on computers. If they all crash it would be hell.
    3. Schools should teach things that people can use in actual life. They sould teach how to get and keep jobs,planting crops and about all religions and culture.


    1. I wouldn't agree. For example, Mongols had deepest respect and appreciation for nature, but they bathed in blood of many nations they ruthlessly conquered.
    2. You could say that. Depending too much on artificial intelligence gives it an opportunity to completely replace human's, so we could end up hopelessly physically incapacitated (if the machines and computers would take over, like Hal 9000 did in "2001") or mentaly (leaving everything to the automated process, we would think and act less and less with each day that we would gradualy become shells with no brain).
    3. You contradict yourself. First you say schools should teach things that people can use in actual life and then you state how learning about all religions and culture is necessary. How can a man, if he is in agriculture, could use the knowledge of i.e. buddism or ancient Mayan society in actual life? This is why we need specialized education, to each according to the field of his professional interest and future social occupation. You cannot expect all people to be educated in the same way, although some essential knowledge should be common and accessible to all.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 28 Mar 2011, 18:51
    mediabrainwash said:
    1.If everyone respects nature and others that would fix the entire world.
    2. Not depending so much on computers. If they all crash it would be hell.
    3. Schools should teach things that people can use in actual life. They sould teach how to get and keep jobs,planting crops and about all religions and culture.

    1. Ha, you wish! Not all people can respect other people or nature (and this includes socialists and liberals) and quite frankly, we shouldn't respect them as well. Furthermore, the world you're suggesting is quite boring. Just Imagine a world without initiative, danger, war, strife and competition; where would we be if it weren't for the invention of weapons and the grandeur of war? Lethargy and a slow but anguishing death are guaranteed for our race of clever-apes!
    In addition, If we respect each other we might, accidentally, create a dysgenic effect where those who are incompetent, lazy, foolish reproduce frivolously and outnumber those who are intelligent, competent, outgoing, motivated and creative. People aren't equal dude, no matter what you believe. If people aren't equal, both their actions and society reactions will most likely be different from what egalitarians / liberals like yourself would have ever imagined. The inequality of nature will necessarily create conflicts between humans who do not share a rather vast mutual ground, and that includes values, heritage, genes and culture.
    2. I'd highlight this point; this is probably the only reasonable (or partially reasonable) thing you have said so far. Attend the nearest special-education faculty near you home, and you'll get a cookie for producing reason!
    3. You mean....schools should teach us all how to have sex? Obviously, this is the best way to get and keep jobs: having sex with your boss.
    This is an absurdity. Schools shouldn't teach those things; parents and life-experience should. Schools introduce you to a elementary intellectual skills.

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