World loves Obama - but they can't vote

 
    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 1 Nov 2008, 03:53

    World loves Obama - but they can't vote

    World loves Obama - but they can't vote


    OBAMA-mania is sweeping the world – the Democratic presidential candidate is much more popular than Republican rival John McCain in surveys of people around the world.

    But underlying Senator Obama's global popularity is a lack of understanding of his ideas, experts say.

    Senator Obama is the preferred candidate of 42 per cent of the people in the world, while only 12 per cent would vote for Senator McCain if they had the chance, according to a BBC survey of 2500 people in 22 countries.

    In Europe, Senator Obama is particularly popular: more than 80 per cent of Germans, French and Dutch have a favourable view of him, according to a poll sponsored by the German Marshall Fund. By comparison, Senator McCain's top score in Europe was in Portugal, where 35 per cent liked him.

    But Max Wolff, a lecturer at the New School University in New York, says there is a huge gap between Senator Obama's image abroad and the reality of his policy ideas.

    Outgoing President George W. Bush "has become the incarnation of the worst of America as a religious crazy, unsophisticated, heavily armed child of the worst European peasantry," Mr Wolff told AFP.

    On the other hand, he said, "Obama's image in Europe for those who like America is that he personifies all that is good in the US".

    For them, Senator Obama represents "a young, hopeful, multiracial society, an international creative child of Europe; useful, energetic".

    "But the two visions are fantasy," Mr Wolff said. "The reality has nothing to do with that, although both of those elements are in the US."

    Senator Obama appears to both Americans and Europeans as someone who can bring about change. But in two major areas of responsibility, the economy and foreign affairs, Mr Wolff says not to expect any 180 degree turn.

    Julien Vaisse, a French historian at the Brookings Institution think-tank in Washington, says Senator Obama's "charisma is undeniably similar to Bill Clinton's, which made them (Europeans) forget that he is American".

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24581822-23109,00.html

  • I understand that a large percentage of Obama supporters are voting for change, yet they don't understand where they are or what they are changing to. They are voting against the Republican House & Senate candidates because they want change, not realizing that the Democrats control the House & Senate. They are upset with what they have, but don't know what they have so they are voting for what they think is different - they will end up with more of the same!

    Mistaken_id
    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 1 Nov 2008, 11:23
    Hunh? That doesn't even make sense! What you're basically saying is that there's no difference between Democratic and Republican policies. If so, then why the Obama hate? Because if it's "more of the same," much as you'd get with the McCain/Bush similarities, it won't make a difference who's elected, and you should be equally happy with either McCain or Obama.

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    • 1 Nov 2008, 13:46
    The presedential elections is one of the hottest items in the different news channels acros Europe. Here in Holland, the talkshows are full of debates and the channels are full of documentaries about both candidates. So it's silly to say that we don't know where the elections are about and that we've got a lack of information. America is very conservative compared to Europe. Even if I compaire Obama with local dutch politicians, Obama would be in the middle/right side of the political landscape.

  • I'm saying that a large percentage of Obama supporters are so uninformed that they don't even know who controls the house & senate, they think the Republicans are in control and they are upset with the economy. If they want change, they should vote for Republicans, instead they are casting "change" votes for Democrats. They are the same voters who are confused on local propositions because they don't get informed. This country will suffer because of that kind of laziness.

    Mistaken_id
    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 1 Nov 2008, 16:50
    You're a moron.

  • ...a large percentage of Obama supporters are so uninformed that they don't even know who controls the house & senate, they think the Republicans are in control ...

    Where do you get THAT? What, exactly, is the "large percentage" and who polled them to determine that they're "so uninformed"?

    It's a safe bet that that's just your opinion. The right likes to justify their opinions about the left by assuming that we're "uninformed". Isn't it possible that we're actually just as informed (if not more informed), and that we formed opinions different than yours because we have a different value system? Our value system is based on self discipline, respect for others, and wanting to leave something for our decendants.

    From what I can tell about those on the right, you're really concerned about money and what natural resources you can waste today. "Drill Baby Drill!"

    Every Obama supporter that I have talked to has a reasoned rationale for supporting Obama. Of course, I don't ask them if they know who's in control of Congress, but we aren't talking about the House or Senate when we're talking about Obama, are we? When Obama supporters talk about "Change" we're talking about changing policy from the Oval Office - changing from eight years of short sighted reactionary policy to policies that include a variety of opinions and look towards the future.

    Here's a statement that's just as bold and as unfounded as the one you made:
    A large percentage of McCain supporters are ignorant rednecks that believe that Obama is either a terrorist or a Muslim.

    While it may be true that some people believe that the Republicans control Congress, there MAY be an even larger percentage of people who believe that Obama's a Muslim. Personally, I don't give much creedence to those who believe in either falsehood.

    BluesRok / Jay
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    • 1 Nov 2008, 20:28
    I'm inclined to agree with you, l-u-k-a-z. Interesting just how different the two political landscapes are-- I've done (not enough) reading on European politics, and have been shocked at how "moderate" I'd be on the European scale, even though I'd probably have people calling me a pinko commie socialist over here ;-) It took me awhile to warm up to Obama's conservatism, to be perfectly honest.

    mistaken_id-- on the Dems controlling the House and Senate. That's irrelevant with an executive who can veto any legislative change both houses try to pass and the Dem majority in the Senate isn't large enough to override Republican filibusters. So government is at a complete impasse right now. Even if Bush signs a law, his record shows a huge trail of signing statements that document his refusal to enforce laws that he has approved. So, the two-year majority the Dems have had in both houses of Congress isn't enough to change anything with a completely incompetent and intransigent executive.

  • sweetdemise: shall we just call eachother names or what exactly did you have in mind?

    BluesRok: Please don't try to tell me that all those newly registered democrat voters are actually informed. I don't recall what the percentage was on the report I heard about, but most of the Obama supporters I've spoken to, including nearly all the ones on last.fm are clueless. You are one of the only ones who can debate without personally attacking me because of my different perspective. (see sweetdemise and the guy with the Obama/cigarette avitar for example). I still have yet to receive a response from anybody regarding Obama's qualifications. Someone sent me a good example of Obama supporters. it was some Harlem interviews with Obama supporters who were voting for "The One" because he 'was pro-choice" and "he chose Palin for his running mate". They are good examples of uninformed voters, and they are turning out in record numbers. They are voting for him because he's an African American. Are 95% of African Americans pulling the lever for Obama because of his policies? What percentage do you think is accurate in that situation? How do you poll that?

    Mistaken_id
    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 2 Nov 2008, 06:39
    ::cough:: Where are these reports that you keeping mentioning??????

  • Regarding the report on misinformed democrats voting against republicans, I heard it on KTAR FM in Phoenix on Friday, 10/31.

    Mistaken_id
    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 2 Nov 2008, 07:09
    Ah, I see.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 2 Nov 2008, 15:46
    I believe everything I hear too. You could say the same about Republicans, being young and misinformed but just following what mommy and daddy chose all of his/her lives. So, null and void.

  • My parents were Democrats when I was young. Many of the young, first time voters anr Democrats this year. The Dem's have done an excellent job misrepresenting McCain by associating him to Bush. 30 second commercial flash photos of McCain and Bush together, and clever bumperstickers use names like "McBush". A year ago Dem's had a warm & fuzzy feeling about McCain because of his maveric style, he was known as someone who could cross the aisle for the good of the country. Kerry even entertained the idea of using McCain as a running-mate in '04. Now he's villified and Dem's are misinformed by Obama to garner votes. it's an election and this is to be expected - it's done to some degree by both candidates. I just think the world would be a better place with McCain leading this greatest country of ours!

    Mistaken_id
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    • 3 Nov 2008, 02:53
    He was a better person (somewhat) before he changed his style completely by running such a nasty campaign. He's not the person he once was. Many swing voters would have voted him before he a) picked Palin and b) ran such a nasty campaign, like I said before.

    What about your parties clips of associating Obama with a terrorist? Come on. McCain has been around plenty of people that are not noteworthy but the Obama campaign does not bring that up regularly. You guys keep grasping for "them" straws, boyyyy.

  • Obama did associate with a terrorist, the question is to what degree did the terrorist help him? Does Obama owe Ayers political favors? Was Obama influenced by Ayers (and a whole list of other questionable characters)? McCain could pound Obama with the Wright issue, but not only stayed away from it, McCain discouraged others from making it an issue. That's because it could be easily spun by Obama into a racial issue. It IS a racial issue, but race is so sensitive, it's a lose-lose issue for McCain. McCain's long career has few connections to questionable characters, while Obama's short career is littered with them. That is why Obama doesn't make an issue of it.

    Mistaken_id
  • Just wondering if you've seen the latest 11th-hour attack ads McCain's been running, highlighting exactly the Wright issue and making rediculous appeals to xenophobia and racism. It's the most disgusting, despicable ad I've seen all campaign and he's dropped it on us at his most desperate moment. Hopefully the country is not as ignorant as the republicans assume, and will vote on actual issues Tuesday.

  • I'm tuned in to the election and have seen and heard several ads. McCain has not done anything with the Wright issue, though he should. Please disclose what yuo heard, better yet, post a link if possibe. In other words, I don't believe you.

    Mistaken_id
  • You're both partially right. There are new ads about Rev Wright, but it's rhe RNC funding them. To McCain's credit, he said he wouldn't bring up Wright and he hasn't. But, he knows that the RNC will do his dirty work for him.

    Obama is running a great attack ad over Cheney's endorsement of McCain. I'm sure it's on youtube, but I couldn't find it in a quick search. Instead, here's Obama's take on the Cheney endorsement:

    BluesRok / Jay
  • The fact is, RNC running ads on McCain's behalf count unequivocally as his ads. It's no different than the "Swift Boat" jerks who were eventually found to be funded through the campaign itself.

    Beside that, mistaken_id makes no mention of the real point of my comment - that the ads are despicable, racist, and made to drive fear into the white electorate. They're a nasty distraction, and a perfect example of the only manner in which Republicans have been able to win elections this past decade.

    The RNC motto should be "Facts?! Irrelevant."

  • I knew it would only be a matter of time before the race card was played. Wright represents very poor judgement on Obama's part. Wright is a racist. obama sat in his church for 20 years. Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope was inspired by Wright. Obama was indoctrinated with Wright's views. Is it wrong to ask about this? Definitely not! How would it play in the media if McCain sat in a white supremist church for 20 years? He would have been excused from the Senate and wouldn't be running for office today. You cannot reasonably deny that.

    Mistaken_id
  • I can reasonably deny that. A black separatist church is in no way the same league of racist as white supremacy. If you know history at all, it's an unfortunate, unwanted, and unnecessary.. but ultimately logical conclusion of hundreds of years of slavery, segregation, and plain old racism conducted toward blacks in this land. Some folks are going to want to express that pent-up anger in ways that whites find threatening. The fact is, they weren't out in the streets, running down whites in mobs and stringing them up in trees. They didn't burn homes and churches down. They don't drag whites behind pickup trucks until their body parts fall off.

    Taking history into account, "angry" blacks have always been demonized in mainstream media, while "righteous" whites are vilified.

    Anyhow, this is all beside the point. Most of your talking points are incorrect and need some research. Go. Do that!

  • Any kind of racism is wrong. You can't justify it. If this country is going to get over it, we don't need a President spewing it. Whites are no different than blacks in that we won't stand for discrimination either. I researched my soul - I don't need anyone to tell me their race is better than mine anymore than I'll tell anyone that mine is better than theirs.

    Mistaken_id
  • So when has Obama "spewed" racism? Seriously, this is exactly the point at which your nagging insistence on the relevance of Wright becomes obviously flawed.

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    • 4 Nov 2008, 05:30
    mistaken_id said:
    I. Wright is a racist. obama sat in his church for 20 years. Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope was inspired by Wright. Obama was indoctrinated with Wright's views.


    I don't think you've actually read "The Audacity of Hope," because if it was, as you say, inspired by Wright, then it means that Wright is very patriotic, very inspiring and very moderate. None of the policies Obama articulates in that book are anything radical, racist, or even "liberal," per se.

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