Discussions → The World of Apskaft - Apskaft World Movie

itsujitsu said:
speculativism said:
I want to make an Apskaft movie, perhaps in the same method as as the Apskaft Symphony. If artists would make little video clips of, say, ten seconds or so, they could be assembled into sections of ten minutes, these would fit on YouTube, then the ten minute sections could be added to and assembled into longer pieces for the Internet Archive and/or Google Video. The little ten second clips contributed would ideally have sound already on. One way would be to copy the exact process used in the Apskaft Symphony, where we upload and download the video clip, adding our little 10 second bit to it each time as the clip gets gradually longer. Another way would be the Battleship Potemkin method where the clips are all uploaded by us all separately and then assembled. Any thoughts?

I'm certainly up for this. Do you think 10 secs per clip is long enough? Maybe we should start a new thread and see how much interest it gets...the number of Apskafteers taking part could dictate the length/number of clips?


Hoxerijo said:
Should be great - at least in my opinion - if a few bands make 20 or 30 secs of time lapse with soundtrack and we join all together, so we create the small universe of Apskaft, a videoland made of many different countries landscapes.
Not necessarily must be the usual skyline with clouds running as hell, but something that gives you the real taste of where you are living (and making music) now.

I don't know, making a silly example, if one lives in Akron he can decide to show a polluting chimney so to underline the industrial atitude of that city.

One can do that simply pointing his webcam to the window and using a time lapse sotftware (many webcam software got it), or ask a friend to lend his cam. It's nothing hard, I believe almost everyone already could do that.

Hoxerijo said:
I think it's also something against silly nationalisms and racism... against selfishness and closed-minded assets. Show our collective as a worldwide international anti-boundaries "nation" where people from everywhere, having a similar musical taste and attitude, join and work as a team.

speculativism said:
Great idea! The world of Apskaft. Glimpses of all the places the sounds are coming from. I like it. I'll make new thread.

And here it is!

Upload video clips to the following Google Documents folder:

Apskaft World Movie

I'm gonna make some experiments with my new cam, for sure I will send one video.

He he, we're bloody progressists :D

Peace \m/

the best thing about this group is everyones pretty much willing to have a go at anything!

I'll join if I can get hold of a decent camera.

They're not Final Cut or Adobe After FX, but I believe they're enough to make titles and a few editing.

I'm in

I go for 1 minute, definitely.

It's The Commercial Album standard, so quite sacred to me - as anything related to god-in-flesh Residents.

Cool cool...1 minute gives a wee bit more time to display the sights and sounds of our respective areas :)

A couple of questions:

1. Are we absolutely limited to one minute?

2. As I assume Hox the Video Wizard will be editing this, question #2 is for him: is it possible to make fade ins/fade outs of the audio only, over adjacent video footage? Like this:



If so, should I leave some "empty" footage at the beginning and/or at the end?

3. Should each artist put a little text somewhere in the video so that the viewers can identify what they're seeing? Or should we list that in the description of the movie? Or should we not list it at all, leaving everything to the viewers' imagination?

Lurholm said:
A couple of questions:

1. Are we absolutely limited to one minute?

2. As I assume Hox the Video Wizard will be editing this, question #2 is for him: is it possible to make fade ins/fade outs of the audio only, over adjacent video footage? Like this:



If so, should I leave some "empty" footage at the beginning and/or at the end?

3. Should each artist put a little text somewhere in the video so that the viewers can identify what they're seeing? Or should we list that in the description of the movie? Or should we not list it at all, leaving everything to the viewers' imagination?

I think this is a collage work, a documentary. So I'd just mount all the piece one after the other, without fading. We could decide to make 3 seconds of title before every movie (like bigger up the "city, nation", and under the musician) so title-movie-title-movie etcetera.

But of course it's only my taste, doesn't say it as "right".

If we decide to work on fades, to me it's better if we make a basic scheme before, like "fade-in and fade-out must be 2 seconds".
It means adding two seconds after and before, because fading to black doesn't work when making crossfades. You find the black coming up and then disapear in both sides, so the effect is crappy.
To solve this typical video editing issue, it's better just leaving 2 seconds before and after, and let the movie editor make the fades, so they are perfect.

Hoxerijo said:
By the way, I repeat, I'm for a br00tal editing, all the integral movie and a title between one and the next. One manage to have hard break or fade to black at start/end of his part: it's on him. Nothing in every work would be modified, which is better for every single artist.
This way in my opinion everyone is 100% free as in a compilation album.

Another thing, I'd keep the lenght under (or equal to) 60 seconds, to keep the stuff frenzy. :D

I'm with Hox on those points...a documentary (mockumentary? :P) style is how I imagined it. Also, 60 seconds of video is actually a pretty long time to try and hold someone's attention. Maybe if this one goes well we can try for a longer length project in the future?

This is a good point, the longer are single parts, the more it become a series of videoclips.

I tried to imagine what could come out. Someone will do something hectic, at 180 bpm, another a slooooow theme. Some people work on a repeated pattern, so 4 beats should be enough, others will work on long drones so they find a minute too few. I mean, maybe most of the people could go for 20 seconds... or everyone use the whole minute.

Here there's another aspect to define before, in my opinion: decide if total freedom or try to "keep a particular pace". In first option we leave arguing and just wait for what sorts out.

If second option, let's imagine the fastest sequences in Koyaanisqatsi, where many scenarios - mostly in time lapse - changes continuously in few seconds. I believe it's more or less what speculativism intended. If we want that effect, we must do as Speculativism said: max 10 or 15 seconds per single video.

With one minute lenght and titles, we are more near to a documentary, but with a difference: in this project, we let spectator see a lot of places in the world by native musicians eyes. It's like borrowing eyes. While in documentary we also explain and define concepts. Or, better, I understood the documentary will be like that. I may be wrong.

To me, we can even do a World of Apskat "thoughtful" and a "fast paced version". If people agree we can send a 15 second track for the fast pace, and one 1 minute long for the thoughtful movie.

And of course everybody can always send 10 small movies and also another dozen of one-minute.