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"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."
Winston Churchill, 1948
"Any society that gives up liberty to gain security deserves neither and loses both."
Benjamin Franklin, 1775
"War made the state, and the state made war."
Charles Tilly, 1975. Reflections on the History of European State-Making.
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Adolf Hitler, Leader of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, Speech on May 1 1927
"The common features of all collectivist systems may be described as the deliberate organization of the labours of society for a definite social goal. In many ways this puts the basic issue very clearly. And it directs us at once to the point where the conflict arises between individual freedom and collectivism. The various kinds of communism, fascism, etc., differ between themselves in the nature of the goal towards which they want to direct all efforts of society. But they all differ from individualism in wanting to organize the whole of society and all its resources for this unitary end, and in refusing to recognize autonomous spheres in which the ends of individuals are supreme.
Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road To Serfdom
"We have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!", "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society, and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families; no government can do anything except through people, and people look to themselves first."
Margaret Thatcher, Interview as Prime Minister of the UK
"The usual terminology of political language is stupid. What is 'left' and what is 'right'? Why should Hitler be 'right' and Stalin, his temporary friend, be 'left'? Who is 'reactionary' and who is 'progressive'? Reaction against an unwise policy is not to be condemned. And progress towards chaos is not to be commended. Nothing should find acceptance just because it is new, radical, and fashionable. 'Orthodoxy' is not an evil if the doctrine on which the 'orthodox' stand is sound. Who is anti-labor, those who want to lower labor to the Russian level, or those who want for labor the capitalistic standard of the United States? Who is 'nationalist,' those who want to bring their nation under the heel of the Nazis, or those who want to preserve its independence?"
Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises, Interventionism: An Economic Analysis
"In Germany and Italy the Nazis and Fascists did indeed not have much to invent. […] It was not the Fascists but the socialists who began to collect children from the tenderest age into political organizations to make sure that they grew up as good proletarians. [...] The means which the old socialist parties had successfully employed to secure the support of one occupation group – the raising of their relative economic position – cannot be used to secure the support of all. There are bound to arise rival socialist movements that appeal to the support of those whose relative position is worsened. There is a great deal of truth in the often heard statement that Fascism and National Socialism are a sort of middle-class socialism – only that in Italy and Germany the supporters of these new movements were economically hardly a middle class any longer. It was to a large extent a revolt of a new under-privileged class against labour aristocracy which the industrial labour movement had created. [...] The conflict between the Fascist or National-Socialist and the older socialist parties must indeed be very largely regarded as the kind of conflict which is bound to arise between rival socialist factions. There was no difference between them about the question of it being the will of the state which should assign to each person his proper place in society. But there were, as there always will be, most profound differences about what are the proper places of the different classes and groups. [...] Fascism and National-Socialism, on the other hand, grew out of the experience of increasingly regulated society awaking to the fact that democratic and international socialism was aiming at incompatible ideals. Their tactics were developed in a world already dominated by socialist policy and the problems it creates. They had no illusions about the possibility of a democratic solution of problems which require more agreement among people than can be reasonably expected. They had no illusions about the capacity of reason to decide all the questions of the relative importance of wants of different men or groups which planning inevitably raises, or about the formula of equality providing an answer. They knew that the strongest group which rallied enough supporters in favour of a new hierarchical order of society, and which frankly promised privileges to the classes to which it appealed, was likely to obtain the support of all those who were disappointed because they had been promised equality but found that they had merely furthered the interest of a particular class. Above all they were successful because they offered a theory, or Weltanschauung, which seemed to justify the privileges they promised to their supporters."
Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road To Serfdom
"Socialism itself can hope to exist only for brief periods here and there, and then only through the exercise of the extremest terrorism. It is preparing itself for rule through fear and is driving the word "justice" into the heads of the half-educated masses like a nail, so as to rob them of their reason and to create in them a good conscience for the evil game they are to play. Socialism can serve to teach - in a truly brutal and impressive fashion - what danger there lies in all accumulations of state power."
Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human
"Among helpful and charitable people one almost always finds that clumsy deceitfulness which first adjusts and adapts him who is to be helped: as if, for example, he “deserved” help, desired precisely their help, and would prove profoundly grateful, faithful and submissive to them in return for all the help he had received – with these imaginings they dispose of those in need as if they were possessions, and are charitable and helpful at all only from a desire for possessions. They are jealous if one frustrates or anticipates them when they want to help. A man who says: “I like this, I take it for my own and mean to protect it and defend it against everyone”, a man who can do something, carry out a decision, remain true to an idea, punish and put down insolence, a man who has his anger and his sword and to whom the weak, suffering, oppressed, and the animals too are glad to submit and belong by nature, in short a man who is by nature a master – when such a man has pity, well! That pity has value! But of what account is the pity of those who suffer, or worse, of those who preach pity.”
Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil
"The burning conviction that we have a holy duty toward others is often a way of attaching our drowning selves to a passing raft. What looks like giving a hand is often a holding on for dear life. Take away our holy duties and you leave our lives puny and meaningless. There is no doubt that in exchanging a self-centered for a selfless life we gain enormously in self-esteem. The vanity of the selfless, even those who practice utmost humility, is boundless."
Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements
"Yet after [decades] of experience with socialism, it is safe to say that most intellectuals outside the areas – Eastern Europe and the Third World – where socialism has been tried remain content to brush aside what lessons might lie in economics, are unwilling to wonder whether there might not be a reason why socialism, as often as it is attempted, never seems to work out as its intellectual leaders intended."
Friedrich August von Hayek, The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism
And since this is still a music site, for the current somewhat weekly updated video I bring you Einen Jodler Hör I Gern by Franz Lang. Enjoy!
You can find the past videos here.
Don't forget to check out the Collectivist Hall of Fame and feel free to take a look at the Recommended Books section (updated: 06 Oct 2010).
Sandy Springs, the city that outsourced everything
Private roads
Warning: Government
Nietzschean Libertarianism: the how and why of the free market morality
The core principles of Libertarianism explained from start to finish (ethics & economics), with my personal Nietzschean twist on things :)
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask them (shoutbox, thread or PM are all an option). My time is limited, but I will certainly do my best to answer them as soon as I can whenever they arrive. My freedom leads to yours, and yours leads to mine. It is with the purpose of expanding and maintaining my own freedom that I encourage others to do the same.
I recently finished the book How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes by Peter Schiff. If you are interested in economy but have little background in it or you do not know about Austrian economics, this is an excellent book which - step by step - builds up economic history and theory through fun storytelling and drawings about the economic development of the 3 protagonists and their offspring on the island of Usonia. Make no mistake about it, even though the drawings and story are amusing, this short book will teach you about fundamental economic processes and principles which in the end will have you understand things like the current crisis better than 99% of the world's population. Heartily recommended for all audiences due to its accessability, entertainment value, excellent explanations and its relevance for the artificially caused problems of the world we all live in today.
The author of the book, Peter Schiff, is this guy by the way:
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy."
Winston Churchill, 1948
"Any society that gives up liberty to gain security deserves neither and loses both."
Benjamin Franklin, 1775
"War made the state, and the state made war."
Charles Tilly, 1975. Reflections on the History of European State-Making.
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Adolf Hitler, Leader of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, Speech on May 1 1927
"The common features of all collectivist systems may be described as the deliberate organization of the labours of society for a definite social goal. In many ways this puts the basic issue very clearly. And it directs us at once to the point where the conflict arises between individual freedom and collectivism. The various kinds of communism, fascism, etc., differ between themselves in the nature of the goal towards which they want to direct all efforts of society. But they all differ from individualism in wanting to organize the whole of society and all its resources for this unitary end, and in refusing to recognize autonomous spheres in which the ends of individuals are supreme.
Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road To Serfdom
"We have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!", "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society, and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families; no government can do anything except through people, and people look to themselves first."
Margaret Thatcher, Interview as Prime Minister of the UK
"The usual terminology of political language is stupid. What is 'left' and what is 'right'? Why should Hitler be 'right' and Stalin, his temporary friend, be 'left'? Who is 'reactionary' and who is 'progressive'? Reaction against an unwise policy is not to be condemned. And progress towards chaos is not to be commended. Nothing should find acceptance just because it is new, radical, and fashionable. 'Orthodoxy' is not an evil if the doctrine on which the 'orthodox' stand is sound. Who is anti-labor, those who want to lower labor to the Russian level, or those who want for labor the capitalistic standard of the United States? Who is 'nationalist,' those who want to bring their nation under the heel of the Nazis, or those who want to preserve its independence?"
Ludwig Heinrich Edler von Mises, Interventionism: An Economic Analysis
"In Germany and Italy the Nazis and Fascists did indeed not have much to invent. […] It was not the Fascists but the socialists who began to collect children from the tenderest age into political organizations to make sure that they grew up as good proletarians. [...] The means which the old socialist parties had successfully employed to secure the support of one occupation group – the raising of their relative economic position – cannot be used to secure the support of all. There are bound to arise rival socialist movements that appeal to the support of those whose relative position is worsened. There is a great deal of truth in the often heard statement that Fascism and National Socialism are a sort of middle-class socialism – only that in Italy and Germany the supporters of these new movements were economically hardly a middle class any longer. It was to a large extent a revolt of a new under-privileged class against labour aristocracy which the industrial labour movement had created. [...] The conflict between the Fascist or National-Socialist and the older socialist parties must indeed be very largely regarded as the kind of conflict which is bound to arise between rival socialist factions. There was no difference between them about the question of it being the will of the state which should assign to each person his proper place in society. But there were, as there always will be, most profound differences about what are the proper places of the different classes and groups. [...] Fascism and National-Socialism, on the other hand, grew out of the experience of increasingly regulated society awaking to the fact that democratic and international socialism was aiming at incompatible ideals. Their tactics were developed in a world already dominated by socialist policy and the problems it creates. They had no illusions about the possibility of a democratic solution of problems which require more agreement among people than can be reasonably expected. They had no illusions about the capacity of reason to decide all the questions of the relative importance of wants of different men or groups which planning inevitably raises, or about the formula of equality providing an answer. They knew that the strongest group which rallied enough supporters in favour of a new hierarchical order of society, and which frankly promised privileges to the classes to which it appealed, was likely to obtain the support of all those who were disappointed because they had been promised equality but found that they had merely furthered the interest of a particular class. Above all they were successful because they offered a theory, or Weltanschauung, which seemed to justify the privileges they promised to their supporters."
Friedrich August von Hayek, The Road To Serfdom
"Socialism itself can hope to exist only for brief periods here and there, and then only through the exercise of the extremest terrorism. It is preparing itself for rule through fear and is driving the word "justice" into the heads of the half-educated masses like a nail, so as to rob them of their reason and to create in them a good conscience for the evil game they are to play. Socialism can serve to teach - in a truly brutal and impressive fashion - what danger there lies in all accumulations of state power."
Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human
"Among helpful and charitable people one almost always finds that clumsy deceitfulness which first adjusts and adapts him who is to be helped: as if, for example, he “deserved” help, desired precisely their help, and would prove profoundly grateful, faithful and submissive to them in return for all the help he had received – with these imaginings they dispose of those in need as if they were possessions, and are charitable and helpful at all only from a desire for possessions. They are jealous if one frustrates or anticipates them when they want to help. A man who says: “I like this, I take it for my own and mean to protect it and defend it against everyone”, a man who can do something, carry out a decision, remain true to an idea, punish and put down insolence, a man who has his anger and his sword and to whom the weak, suffering, oppressed, and the animals too are glad to submit and belong by nature, in short a man who is by nature a master – when such a man has pity, well! That pity has value! But of what account is the pity of those who suffer, or worse, of those who preach pity.”
Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil
"The burning conviction that we have a holy duty toward others is often a way of attaching our drowning selves to a passing raft. What looks like giving a hand is often a holding on for dear life. Take away our holy duties and you leave our lives puny and meaningless. There is no doubt that in exchanging a self-centered for a selfless life we gain enormously in self-esteem. The vanity of the selfless, even those who practice utmost humility, is boundless."
Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements
"Yet after [decades] of experience with socialism, it is safe to say that most intellectuals outside the areas – Eastern Europe and the Third World – where socialism has been tried remain content to brush aside what lessons might lie in economics, are unwilling to wonder whether there might not be a reason why socialism, as often as it is attempted, never seems to work out as its intellectual leaders intended."
Friedrich August von Hayek, The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism
And since this is still a music site, for the current somewhat weekly updated video I bring you Einen Jodler Hör I Gern by Franz Lang. Enjoy!
You can find the past videos here.
Don't forget to check out the Collectivist Hall of Fame and feel free to take a look at the Recommended Books section (updated: 06 Oct 2010).
Sandy Springs, the city that outsourced everything
Private roads
Warning: Government
Nietzschean Libertarianism: the how and why of the free market morality
The core principles of Libertarianism explained from start to finish (ethics & economics), with my personal Nietzschean twist on things :)
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask them (shoutbox, thread or PM are all an option). My time is limited, but I will certainly do my best to answer them as soon as I can whenever they arrive. My freedom leads to yours, and yours leads to mine. It is with the purpose of expanding and maintaining my own freedom that I encourage others to do the same.
I recently finished the book How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes by Peter Schiff. If you are interested in economy but have little background in it or you do not know about Austrian economics, this is an excellent book which - step by step - builds up economic history and theory through fun storytelling and drawings about the economic development of the 3 protagonists and their offspring on the island of Usonia. Make no mistake about it, even though the drawings and story are amusing, this short book will teach you about fundamental economic processes and principles which in the end will have you understand things like the current crisis better than 99% of the world's population. Heartily recommended for all audiences due to its accessability, entertainment value, excellent explanations and its relevance for the artificially caused problems of the world we all live in today.
The author of the book, Peter Schiff, is this guy by the way:
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Fr0mN0where wrote:
@fymek actually the argument is usually put forward that genuine free markets would lead to a more equal distribution of wealth than any state intervention? For example Adam Smith: "led by an invisible hand to make nearly the same distribution of the necessaries of life, which would have been made, had the earth been divided into equal portions among all its inhabitants, and thus without intending it, without knowing it, advance the interest of the society"
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fymek wrote:
@ SoulJazzsterInc - (Socialism, communism, marxism = redistribution) =/= capitalism. Wtf are you talking about?
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SoulJazzsterInc wrote:
I think you have a very biased vision of socialism. Socialism is not communism or marxism, unlike what you Americans always think. Take European socialists, for instance, if you put them in the same box as Castro and Chavez, then you have a very weird definition of politics. Actually, some Democrats like Dennis Kucinich would be very close to socialist ideals, you see we're not talking about communists here.
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fymek wrote:
About the redistribution - if you want to give someone 100$ in socialism, the civil servant will have to take from you 130$ (30$ for him, cause that's his job and you have to pay for it). In capitalism, if someone from your family or your neighbour need money, you just lend it or give it, and that's 100$ not 130$. Socialism = pure robbery.
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fymek wrote:
"(Non-marxist)socialism is the best economic system. Socialism is using force to redistribute wealth." - that made me laugh.
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bostoncrab wrote:
the Nazis were vegans, conservationists and socialists. they knew exactly what was best for the "master" race. it was socialism, but so what? it was socialism ONLY for white people. THAT was the problem. it was the racism that was more the problem than their politico-economic beliefs. Invoking Hitler to smear socialism is silly. only people who watch fox use that as an argument.
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Saveall wrote:
The Ron Paul Christmas iTunes Bomb! http://itunesbomb.com/ ...featuring "Bombs" by Golden State.
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c4t2007 wrote:
Nazis (national socialists) were mean. Bill Gates (rich capitalist and globalist) is nice.
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romankrieg wrote:
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christianmori wrote:
why this came up on the ricky gervais page i don't know ¬.¬
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Fr0mN0where wrote:
I came accross an interesting little fact - the first Nationwide public health campaign against smoking in public was introduced by the Nazi Party - http://www.bmj.com/content/313/7070/1450.full
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Harliquensfly wrote:
Hay anyone's welcome to join http://www.last.fm/group/Left-libertarians
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Fr0mN0where wrote:
@legolibertarian - it's an interesting area - usual argument for intelectual property is that - without ownership there is no incentive to innovate…I'm not much interested in fashion but I do find it interesting that there is no intellectual property, with the exception of trademark, in the clothing industry, the courts decided long ago clothing was too utilitarian for anyone to own the building blocks, It does seem to me though that there is a lot of inovation and profit to be made in the fashion industry
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sinisha wrote:
http://www.last.fm/group/The+Holly+Alliance
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Marjorieroberta wrote:
Sabe o que o socialismo tem mais que o capitalismo? Tem mais é que se foder.
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LegoLibertarian wrote:
BTW, turtle was banned for making a mess of the Libertarians group with offensive comments and spamming. Being a SA Goon and systematically trolling threads has its consequences.
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LegoLibertarian wrote:
@Fr0mN0where I think the point about property, within the libertarian ideology at least, is that the ideology cannot dictate a single kind of property recognition, other than to support the economic argument that individuals are the arbiters and source of value. The marketplace is replete with examples of adopting standards, including those which can facilitate intellectual works. The danger of allowing a central authority to determine it is that it tends to put the cart before the horse, assuming old systems will always work, even for new forms of intellectual work or its distribution, even to the detriment of future authors.
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Babayoga88 wrote:
Cool to see the FB page :)
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Fr0mN0where wrote:
:)
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Fr0mN0where wrote:
@ACoolAssTurtle your point is taken, you are not somebody that likes to be overburdened by words! I think you made this point very well in your first post of 2 words. I feel though that making more posts, using more words, to emphasise this point somewhat undermines said point?
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