Why do you hate commies?

 
    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 21 Jan 2007, 22:49

    Hi

    I'm not a member, not a communist but I'm a socialist and proud.
    I believe the ideas of communism are beautiful just as anarchy. I just don't believe either would actually work, since it just doesn't fit human nature since humans are greedy and selfish.

    Anyway. I just want to point out that all existing so-called communist states all have been dictatorships.
    There has yet not existed a real communist state. The closest may be Cuba.

    There's a period from the red revolution 'till communism and no one has yet ever made it through that point since the dictators in these transitional periods have been just as greedy and selfish as the damn capitalist and as a "communist state" you rely on solidarity and partnership which have been denied or very few.

    Killing, hating or banning people, with the excepting of religious people (marxism) is neither not a part of socialism nor communism.

    Basicly, please don't compare communism (as a belief) with either The Soviet, Russia, Vietnam or China.

    And just for an example. Try to see what is going on in South America these days. Socialistic parties are being democraticly elected in many countries since it's a way to part with the American capitalistic domination.
    There's way more to communism and socialism than The Iron belt.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 22 Jan 2007, 00:05
    It's amazing how someone living in a country that never had anything to do with communism tries to justify ideology which shouldn't be more then just a memory from the past.
    You write:
    "Anyway. I just want to point out that all existing so-called communist states all have been dictatorships.
    There has yet not existed a real communist state. The closest may be Cuba."

    That's good that you don't really think a "real" communism would have any chance of surviving more then 2 months. Let me tell you, that some frenchmen fascinated by idea of "equality" in late 1800s created several villages where everyone was equal... this situation didn't last long... soon in every camp people started to divide themselves into groups, strong personalities took advantage of the weaker ones etc.
    The whole project ended in less then a year with... absolute catastrophe

    Castro is a dictator.

    "The Real Communism" would be true hell, everyone should be equal, right? well equality my ass!!
    I'm not equal to junkies, drunks, hobo's, tramps, I'm much much better... educated, well behaving (usually :P), fit etc... I work my ass to make a living while those lazy sonofabitches live on welfare, yes I'm a greedy, selfish bastard cuz' I don't want to share my wealth with worthless trash.

    South Americans are used to socialism and don't see anything bad in it... their countries weren't occupied by Soviet Union, though commies in USSR financed terrorist leftist groups in South America (like Sandinists), Americans weren't forced to call each other "comrades", their families weren't killed, imprisoned, tortured, sent to Siberia (OK, sometimes they were, but it seems that this isn't enough for Americans to stop constantly falling in love with populist parties)

    I hate commies because:
    -they occupied my country
    -they killed/imprisoned members of my family
    -their minds are spoiled usually (when postcommunists took reigns of power in Poland few years ago suddenly a lot of scandals were revealed, usually connected with corruption, anti-polish financial actions, payed protections, warning gangsters about police searching for them etc. thanks God, now there is no left-wing political party in Poland that would have any power, only right-wing and centrist parties)
    -I don't believe in equality
    -186764 other reasons, you name it...

    finally, I'd like you to understand that your type of populist bitching about capitalists may be popular in regions with poorely educated society, but anyone who thinks, understands this truth:
    No matter how greedy and selfish capitalists are, THEY are right!!! Economical liberalism and free market are fundaments of any normal economy.
    "Money makes the world go around The world go around The world go around"

    • Nevar89 said...
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    • 22 Jan 2007, 15:12
    I believe the ideas of communism are beautiful just as anarchy.

    Yeah, but communism is not possible... Needs are always infinite and resources are not. All revolutions have ended in the same way - genocide. Here in Poland commies were saying that they are "bulding socialsm", and well they were... And it wasn't very good...

    Unforunetly communism and socialism (in real life i'm not talking about utopies ) are very simmilar...

    Idea of equality is not beautiful - it means that no matter how hard you work you get the same...

    BTW mopteh did you know that in case of NATO - Warsaw Pact war Polish People Army was ordered to capture and ocupy Denmark :P?

  • Why I hate communists?

    I hate them. For what they've done to my country. For the blood of my fathers, for the tanks on the streets, for the lines to the shops, for the overwhelming hunger, for the lies, for the victimizations...

    My father told to me "it's better to be dead, than to be a red".

    Communism is a utopia, I don't know even one communist country, that would support their citizens, and that in that country people would be not controlled by horrible terror and propaganda...

  • As jedziemyzkoksem said. My country still suffers after many years of communism.

  • The communistic ideals are a Dystopia. no matter what there will always be a flaw.
    Stalin was actually correct when he said that the Nazi warmachine wouldnt have been stopped without him.
    DESPITE YOUR FEELINGS ON HIS ATROCITIES YOU CANNOT DENY THE TRUTH
    without the mass troops that the red leader sacrificied Germany would have taken the USSR quickly and all of you Poles and baltic countries wouldnt be complaining about the problems caused by Stalin; though they were EXTENSIVE.
    Let us just say that Stalin kept the germans busy slowly weakening the axis; just as Russia had served the same purpose during WWI

    Im for the equality of people; speaking on the basis of civil rights. Economically they should all fend for their selves.

    and FUCK Nationalism it has breed more killers and genocides throughout the world.
    What cracks me up is the whole statement your members give by their groups or about me section; "anti-communist, (some)anti-semitic, Pro White, But not Nazi"

  • @Eron_MEIN: there was no communism in your country so it's quite funny when you praise Stalin and his system.
    BTW:
    Eron_MEIN said:
    and FUCK Nationalism it has breed more killers and genocides throughout the world.
    What cracks me up is the whole statement your members give by their groups or about me section; "anti-communist, (some)anti-semitic, Pro White, But not Nazi

    At primo, as Wikipedia says:
    Nationalism is an ideology that holds that a nation is the fundamental unit for human social life, and takes precedence over any other social and political principles.
    I don't know what's wrong in this, maybe your fundamental unit is something else but does anybody say that your ideology is worse because of this? Also nationalism helped my nation to survive during the partitions (1772 - 1918). But it's easy to say that nationalism isn't good when your country hasn't had any border wars for more than 150 years.
    At secundo, anti-communism isn't nazism (for example first wave of Polish punk rock was against communism), anti-semitism isn't nazism (you don't have to love any country or any nation) and white supremacism isn't nazism (Hitler did betrayed the white race when he made a military pact with Japan) so I don't know what is your point.

    I'm sorry for my English but it's not my native language. Au revoir.

    Edited by Pijaczyna on 21 Feb 2007, 17:18
    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 21 Feb 2007, 17:12
    You're talking about me so I'm able to response.

    Eron_MEIN said:
    What cracks me up is the whole statement your members give by their groups or about me section; "anti-communist, (some)anti-semitic, Pro White, But not Nazi"


    My anti-communism is powered by history of my country.
    My anti-semitism is against nuclear weapon in Israel, against military occupation of Palestine, Syria and Liban, against Israel-American fight for oil against Iran and against some jews who were and are in Polish goverment.
    My white supremacy is for European culture which can be destroyed by the new Ottoman Empire which reborns in Europe (for example in France).
    If you see any nazism here, talk to your doctor.

    Have a nice day.

    Pijaczyna said:
    I'm sorry for my English but it's not my native language.

  • I would like you to show me where i praise his system or the man. I give credit to the fact that is undeniable that without him the Nazi warmachine would not have been stopped. Unlike you i dont try to deny fact.
    why people hate jews or arabs; both are considered semites, read about it: on the subject of israeli conflict, is on the stupid principle that the Jews stole that land from Arabs despite the fact that Arabs through conquest, basically stole the land the jews had around the time period of the Crusades. BlemBlem if you think you dont show Nazist ideals in your statement then there is obviously something corrupt in your interpretation of nazism. IM NOT TRYING TO SAY ANTI-SEMITISM SPELLS N.A.Z.I. were are you drawing these conclusions I am merely stating that those amongst others are ideals that Nazi's had.
    Hitler; made that pact with Japan to basically remain neutral with them until Germany had amassed enough land and resources to conquer it. Why do you think he made a Pact with Russia to invade Poland? To secure peace between them whilst the Third Reisch grew. ITS SIMPLE MILITARY STRATEGY
    FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERNCE NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE EVER TRUST ANYTHING FROM WIKIPEDIA; any bone head with an account can alter the information to fulfill their ideas.
    to your discussion to Che; if you look at from the standpoint of the Hispanics who revere him, because to them he is a symbol of self improvement and that they can be more than the what the government tells them; however it is stupid for those pricks elsewhere who dont even know what his past was actually like to praise him as an idealistic revolutionary; plus i dont agree with his politics
    If you didnt know, the United States was one of the strongest anti-communist force more so than any of your countries. Going so far as to intervene in Vietnam and indochina to stop the spread of it. Later on it did so when the USSR tried to invade Afghanistan. amongst aiding other countries; That whole ideal "anti-communist" has led to more opression than you will ever know.
    First and for most; Nationalism is an ideal that your country is superior to others, in a nut shell. AND in case you dont know ALL of the actions the U.S. has been involved in have spawned from Nationalism. So dont tell me i dont have to deal with nationalism and the evils it spawns; despite of the positives it also has. Why do you think most Americans are arrogant and dont stay out of others conflicts ex; somalia, kosovo, and Afghanistan/Iraq?

  • wanted to add that these so called communists that have actually held power and bastards especially Mao Zedung; however you spell his last name and Stalin; each murdered # far greater than seen; but it is also my belief if given the oppurtunity the Nazi's would have amassed a similar number.

  • You're fuckin' jokin', ain't ya? xD

    First of all: Soviet soldiers weren't communist volunteers. They were mostly peasants threatened by the world's most bloody regime ever. That's the first reason you can't say that commies beat Nazis.

    Secondly: Ribbentropp-Molotov Pact. You know about that? If not, check wikipedia.

    Reason number three - the most obvious: the Nazis were beaten by Soviet winter and the stupidity of Adolf Hitler, who decided to start military operation againt USSR the same day as Napoleon's army over 100 years before against Russia. Hitler just wanted to be better, but history likes to repeat.

    So won't you please learn more history than interpretate it...

    The most funny is the fact that people who call for equality differ people with the doctrine of classism.

  • Nationalism isn't "an ideal that your country is superior to others, in a nut shell". It just says that you can't save the world by helping everybody. Firstly you have to heal yourself to heal the other. So I start with me myself, my family, my city, my country. Simple as that. You can't save the world by levelling everything. It's fucking barbarian.

  • 1st and foremost the winter AIDED the Russians and so did the mud that came from the rains. THATS WHAT DELAYED OPERATION BARBAROSSA FROM ORIGINAL DATE. The coincidence that Napolean invaded Russia in June played into his favor so he seized it to fuel propaganda in his favor and whats that? to increase NATIONALISTIC PRIDE.
    Dont think that i dont know that the Russian, and other territories were threatened with death and violence if they didnt produce or fight. I know about Leningrad, Stalingrad, the industrial movement that went on.
    Ever heard of a battle at Kursk? yeah the largest armor engagement in world history; who defeated the panzer divisions thats right the Red army.
    Despite the fact that like an idiot he sacrificed the lives of millions (the great purge) of soldiers, people and officials. So dont say that it was Only the winter that defeated the nazi's because it contributed, it didnt defeat them alone. Especially since the War on the eastern front didnt end untill may 1945 when the russians took berlin
    dont tell me to learn history when its evident you dont even have your facts correct. AND never cite Wikipedia as a source of information if you dont want to get rediculed.
    ACTUALLY its referred to as the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact signed August 23, 1939. That pact was the "non-agression" pact that was violated by the nazi and benefited Germany because it gave stalin peace of mind that allowed the Nazi to mobilize 3 million soldier in operation barbarossa; and move 50 miles into Russia on the first day.
    Dont ever try to test my knowledge on that, theres a reason why i have a masters in world history.

    Nationalism is why my country has been sticking its damn nose where it doesnt belong; you think i havent acknowledged the stupidity of it? But if you look at history nationalism; was one of the reasons why Germany mustered so much strength, economically and militaristicly in the short span Hitler was chancellor. Why Japan took it upon itself to attempt to take Asia. Why there was so much damn Imperialsim. Why Russia took it upon itself to take control of the neighboring Slovak countries
    and the baltic region. The Ideal that the U.S. is superior to everyone; only in the united states of course.
    IS ALL NATIONALISM EVIL?
    NO, not when it is in the true spirit of trying to better you country like you claim in your posts, but it is bad when it becomes corrupted and used to fulfill the desires of leaders and governments, which has occured time and time again.

  • Eron_MEIN said:
    I would like you to show me where i praise his system or the man. I give credit to the fact that is undeniable that without him the Nazi warmachine would not have been stopped. Unlike you i dont try to deny fact.


    Maybe, but do you know what was between 17 IX 1939 and 22 VI 1941? German nazis fought together with Russian commies.

    I'm too tired to response for the rest of your post now.

  • Eron_MEIN - Eddie "The Eagle" of the WWII history? xD

    Well, maybe in USA public schools pupils aren't teached about "what was between 17 IX 1939 and 22 VI 1941" ;-) Stalin was completely shocked - but not surprised! - by the Nazi aggresion at USSR (Barbarossa). Evil genius trusted Hitler as if German leader was his own child! Probably whiskered Georgian was just proud of his alliance with Nazi Germany.

  • Pijaczyna;
    Really Nazis fought alongside Soviets? oh yeah I already knew that! considering thats the time period in which the USSR and Germany were allied and took Poland and other smaller countries.
    BW_zGuba:
    Theres a reason why I said that the pact gave hime "peace of mind" meaning that he placed trust in it and the Nazi's, so basically you just added to a point i had already made. Thats also why Stalin didnt head warnings from his own officers warning him of a German invasion due to mass troop movements to the Russian border. Why he also dismissed a Nazi official who even attempted to warn him of Hitlers plan.
    All of this is really boring me. I dont see what the whole point of this has been. except i just wasted 2 minutes responding to your statements that just repeat something i had already stated and knew.

  • Yup, I've missed that sentence of yours ;-) never mind. Sorre.


    Just one note - Poland wasn't "small country" before WWII. Take a look on the low resolution photo of 1918-1939 historical europe map:



    As we can see, Poland was comparable in size to Germany ;-)

  • 1st. Lolz! eron_mein! 1st person ive meet with the name Eron too.
    I think Eron_Mein was referring to the neighboring countries as being small not poland.
    Im anti communist because well...Im american. Been taught to be anti commi since forever. I like the idea of being equal, rights and NO descrimination, but not having to give money to others especially if a Doctor gets the same amount of money as a baker. That and those so called "communist leader" were all butchers.
    Just wanted to add that the Polish Forces that survived to attack Germany nearing the end of WWII did more than those Canadians or French =P. No ill will towards either.

    "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."
    - Winston Churchill
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    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 2 Mar 2007, 20:25
    At first, I thought he deleted it himself ...

  • Usama_ibn_Ladin did delete his account. Blemblem doesn't actually know what did happen with his account but - as he said - he doesn't care about Adioscrobbler because his opinions are well-known and I think that I can make quite good continuation of his thoughts.
    Big drink (Jelzin 40%) for their health and future!

  • I'd prefer Водка Кризис ;-)

    Okay, it's just kinda interesting...

    • morken said...
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    • 3 Mar 2007, 19:43
    MOPTEH said:
    I'm not a member, not a communist but I'm a socialist and proud.
    I believe the ideas of communism are beautiful just as anarchy. I just don't believe either would actually work, since it just doesn't fit human nature since humans are greedy and selfish.


    Voluntary communism might work like a monastery does work, but it is wrong to force everybody to live like that. Non-voluntary communism or socialism can not last for long and will always end up in a dictatorship.

    Anarchy does work: From a global point of view we always lived in a state of anarchy. Even at that very moment we have anarchy because there is no world government. That is a good thing.

    Unfortunately there are still governments who rule over large areas. If the ruling areas were as small as a county or a canton it would be far better because there would be more options to choose from.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 3 Apr 2007, 18:05
    they occupied my country. their ideas are stupid and they are just dullards.

    Wow, what an intelligent comment.

    Anyway, I'm not a communist and I'm not out to defend the ideology, but hey... Do you guys know who you mean when you talk about "communists"? Do you mean the poor people in Russia at the dawn of the 20th century, who thought that communism would save them from their miserable living conditions? Or do you mean those who governed the Soviet Union from 1917 up to 1992? Or maybe the contemporain optimist commies, who think that they could do better than Stalin did? Or communists in general? I think it's a simplistic way of thinking, for all these groups of people are differently motivated.

    I think communism doesn't have involve terrorsim and totalitarism. Not that I think that it would work out anyway, because, like someone else already said, it doesn't fit the selfish human nature. But I also think that there was and is a group of people, that wants to control the world, and in the case of the SU, used communism for this purpose. And no, it was not Stalin nor Brezhnev, those bigwigs are just puppets in the hands of the real leaders of the world.

  • Leidenschaft - I can not understand what do you mean :
    And no, it was not Stalin nor Brezhnev, those bigwigs are just puppets in the hands of the real leaders of the world.
    ?? Who are these leaders of the world. ??

    "No it is not his fault, he was only the puppet." :
    Why? If i am able to kill sth. about 3 milions people in my own country then IT IS MY FAULT (it was only few years). You can not say that it is a real power held in the hand of someone else.
    And you can say sth about communism only when you live (or you lived) in the country like Russia, Poland, Ukraine, etc.

    More:
    Do you mean the poor people in Russia at the dawn of the 20th century, who thought that communism would save them from their miserable living conditions?

    DO YOU realy think that they thought they will heve better living conditions?? - it is miserable :|
    So, maybe Siberia is the place where thousands of them were going for skiing hollidays??

    No one thought that can be better, all of that people thought that it can be worse (pessimists) or it can not (optimists). Most of them were trying to get away from there. Many have died trying.

    In addition:
    What is that?? :|
    But I also think that there was and is a group of people, that wants to control the world, and in the case of the SU, used communism for this purpose.


    I can not understand it :| Control the world (in case SU) using communism ?? Are you insane??
    Communism is the best or only way to keep people in Russia together - they do not need and do not want the world, cause they have olmost everything there in Russia. People there NEED to have someone above, kicking his asses. And because of that communism is good for them. One strong person and everything is going very well. For example compare : Boris Yeltsin and Putin - you will see big diferences!

    There are two groups in Russia mafia (including government) and poor people who have nothing. So, you can see, this political system making an illusion of
    welfare. Everyone have a job and money, BUT there is nothing to buy OR it is so expensive that you can not buy it. Everyone know what is going on, BUT if you do anything against the Government, then:

    (it is only a short example)

    READ IT FIRST !! BEFEORE YOU WILL SAY ANYTHING!
    - Poland:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wujek_Coal_Mine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_%28village%29
    - Hungary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956


    There is much more - try in google.

    I hate communism because of that what you can read above. I hate it with all my heart. Mainly when i see children hung up on the branches or Polish officers killed with the shot in the back.

    It is mainly Stalin and Lenin not someone else like you said "TRUE LEADERS".

    And about the ideas: ideas are beautyful, but it is utopia. Here I can agree with you:
    it doesn't fit the selfish human nature

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    Jaromir Świechowski
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