If God told you...

 
  • If God told you...

    Pretend you are in bed, or maybe in school or walking the street whetevr you like... And suddenly you hear a voice, and the voice claims it is God, your LORD. After a minor chat with him he tells you he is not pleased with someone, say your neighbors because of whatever reason you find resonable, maybe they performed satanistic rituals or something.

    He then tell's you to gather your family (or maybe he tells you to do it alone) to murder them.

    Will you do this? Remember, if you defy him you will go to hell because disobidience is very bad in his eyes. It is the reason that Adam and Eve were banned from the garden of Eden afterall...

    • 4n4kh4 said...
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    • 9 Sep 2006, 04:31

    Hmm

    Galatians 1:8 - 'But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!'

    The thing is... Would God tell me to do that? Hell no!

    That situation is simply not consistent with the nature of a God who is simply described as love (1 John 4:8) and isn't willing that any should perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).

    Then, there is always 'Thou shalt not murder' :P

    If I heard that, I wouldn't do it, simply because that would not be God talking to me. And if it really was?
    Then my faith in the Christ who the Bible describes would be a sham.

  • Thats pretty good of you that you will disobey him...

    But did he not tel (whats the dude name) to kill his son, in the end he had to burn a goat or something, but still he ordered the guy to kill his son.

    Oh and then we have Mozes, how many people did he and his amry kill and rape, how many villiages did they plunder because God told them to?

    If God told them to do those things thousends of years ago, why would he not do that today? Why would God change to our ethics and moral ideas? We need to to change for God right? and GOd should not change for us.

  • first of all, the whole question is way too hypothetic to give a serious answer let alone someone who has queen in its top 10 and marco borsato on #11, but 4n4kh4 did a fine job explaining it nicely. Christianity is about the following of Christ, a person who spoke about goodness/love and acted that out.

    its a good thing there are enough people that have a more open minded view on the world and who/what God is than you, WesleyNL.

  • I do not see the point of getting what I listen to get into this topic, Queen made very good songs, and Marco Borsato is a very good singer.

    But either way, you say that I am not open minded, however I am, and I am fairly sure much more then you. At least I can look at evidence in a rational way and not throw it away because it does not align well with the Bible.

    Anyway, following Jesus, indeed he did not speak of violence and mindless raping and killing, however he did promote some ways of murder.

    Matthew 15:4 For God commanded, Honor your father and your mother, and, Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.


    Ok, so say that the kid of the neighbor or maybe even your own would hit you in the face followed by some bad words... Jesus would have killed him apparently, would you?

    And actually, before that he said:

    Matthew 15:3 He answered them, And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?

    Meaning that all what God told people was good, thus he admits that if God tells you to kill someone you should do it, because it was God who ordered you.

    So although Jesus talked a lot about love, he did think killing kids if they were not nice to mom and dad is alright to do.

  • WesleyNL said:

    Matthew 15:4 For God commanded, Honor your father and your mother, and, Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.



    This doesn't mean that you should be the one doing the killing! Everybody dies eventually.

  • LugaidVandroiy said:
    WesleyNL said:

    Matthew 15:4 For God commanded, Honor your father and your mother, and, Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.



    This doesn't mean that you should be the one doing the killing! Everybody dies eventually.


    And like I said, he said also that you should not break the commandment's that God made.

    And if we look at those, the 10 commandment's how many end with the phrase that the person who commited the sin should but put to death.

    Saying "must surely die" doesnt make sense, of course everyone will at one point in life "surely die". Sounds kinda stupid to say, just stating the obvious.

    Which reminds me when Jesus cursed that one tree for not having fruit that he could eat, although it was not the season for the true to grow fruit.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 14 Sep 2006, 18:43

    "Must Surely Die"

    Though I am no scholar... I believe the context for "must surely die" is not what you have in mind. I think what Jesus meant when he said that is that they will die as opposed to have eternal life. Those who sin, by reviling the father or mother or doing other things against the will of God, will surely die because they do not have the eternal life found in Jesus.

  • imxcliche said:
    Though I am no scholar... I believe the context for "must surely die" is not what you have in mind. I think what Jesus meant when he said that is that they will die as opposed to have eternal life. Those who sin, by reviling the father or mother or doing other things against the will of God, will surely die because they do not have the eternal life found in Jesus.


    But they do get eternal life, even according to the Bible, I assume you suggest to eternal life as going to heaven? But the rest are going to have eternal life in hell. So that does not make sense either now does it?

    I am very sure that Jesus meant that those who break the commandments should be killed so they get can get into hell even quicker.

    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 15 Sep 2006, 14:50

    In a Biblical sense...

    In a Biblical sense... no.

    People who die and go to hell do not get eternal life. Yes, their souls will exist forever, but they do not have "life." The problem you and I are facing is our understanding of what life is... as a Christian, life is not synonymous with existence. If you delve deep into Christian theology, you will see that Christians actually believe that those who are followers of Christ are the only people who are actually "alive," everyone else is dead to sin. We only can have life through Christ.

    I think if you can understand this, you might better understand what Jesus meant when he said "... must surely die."

  • Let's move on to something else,as the above is open to many views.
    Sodom and Gomorra.I will not get into the fact that it is simply not all-loving to destroy 2 cities because the people are sinners(the whole world should be ablaze by now:),but point out something else.The angels visited Lot and were his guests.The Sodom(ist) people asked him to surrender them to the mob so they would give them a piece of the city's 'hospitality'(I think you understand). Lot refused to surrender his guests.Instead, to appease the mob,he did what?Did he,in a move of valour and self-sacrifice,offer himself?NO!He offered his 2 virgin daughters.
    Lot was the only good man in Sodom (and Gomorrah?).God spared this good man who offered his 2 daughters to a bunch of (apparently) sick weirdos.

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • imxcliche said:
    ...We only can have life through Christ.

    I think if you can understand this, you might better understand what Jesus meant when he said "... must surely die."


    Right, and happyness can only be gained through Johnnie Walker, or any other alcoholic drink.

    I understand what you are trying to say, but I find your awnsers not to be adding up correctly. Right now you are just speculating about what Jesus would have meant in the way that fits you. And of course I do the same.

  • bottom line...if it does not line up with what is written it is not god talking to you, could be ur mind playing tricks on you fro any number of reasons, or even the devil feeding you lies...(goin back to the start)

    each and every person is goin to understand parts of the bible different...hence why we have so many differernt denominations about.

    there are however some things that are pretty much a standard belief accross the board...the 10 comandments for instance...

    shall not murder, i think that answers the first question...

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  • Re: If God told you...

    WesleyNL said:
    Pretend you are in bed, or maybe in school or walking the street whetevr you like... And suddenly you hear a voice, and the voice claims it is God, your LORD. After a minor chat with him he tells you he is not pleased with someone, say your neighbors because of whatever reason you find resonable, maybe they performed satanistic rituals or something.

    He then tell's you to gather your family (or maybe he tells you to do it alone) to murder them.

    Will you do this? Remember, if you defy him you will go to hell because disobidience is very bad in his eyes. It is the reason that Adam and Eve were banned from the garden of Eden afterall...


    Hmmm.....In my experience, God doesn't work like that.

    First of all, I don't believe that He reveals bad things about another person unless there is redemptive value for that person/group of people in it. His actions are always out of love for people, and He always has their best interests in mind.

    Secondly, I don't believe that He would direct someone to kill another person like that. Yes, He did tell His people to kill those who were in the promised land, and He did help Israel win battles. However, the glory was always to God. He even made it so it would have been impossible for them to win in any other way. Everyone had to recognize that it was God, and that God was real.

    Also, when He told people to kill in the OT, it was for the distinct purpose of establishing His people. He did not want them to be influenced by the evil practices of the peoples who lived there. His focus is always for the ultimate redemption.....because Israel was able to be established, He created a people through whom He could save everyone....Jesus came through them.

    Today things are different. Jesus has already won the ultimate victory, and Christianity itself has spread to almost every country in the world. The fact that Satanists exist does not threaten the establishment of Christianity. Is there spiritual warfare? Sure, but Satan is no match for God....and Jesus already defeated him on the cross.

    I think you also have a misunderstanding of what the gospel message is. We are saved by grace through faith, not by works. In other words, we are not saved on the condition of whether or not we obey God. If we were saved on the condition of whether or not we obeyed God, Jesus' death on the cross would have been for nothing. It would also mean that we would all be condemned and going to hell anyway....since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Sin is rebellion/disobedience against God.

    A person who has placed their faith in Jesus Christ is saved on account of Jesus. It is only by His blood that we are forgiven of our sins.

    This doesn't mean that we have a license to sin, but it does mean that our sins can no longer count against us or send us to hell. A person who truly loves God is not going to want to disobey Him.

    A person who truly trusts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior CANNOT be sent to hell for disobeying God.

    Furthermore, just because something in the spiritual realm that speaks claims to be God doesn't make it really God. There are demons who go around calling themselves jesus or holy spirit. I'm serious about that. I have heard testimonies from several people, and I know that this happens. That's why the Bible says to test the spirits and make sure that they are from God. Too many people in today's society just believe what some being in the spiritual realm tells them. They think everything that is spiritual is good. This is not the case.

    That's why it's important to know the Bible, and more importantly, to know God.

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