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L57NT
I came to conclusion that speed metal might make sense as a real genre if defined as mostly based on Motörhead or Venom approach, with the same kind of dirty, 'springy' and at times almost punkish riffs over abundant double bass or d-beat-resembling drum kicks, sometimes being similar to UK82/streetpunk. Speed metal in this sense immediately covers many bands such as Exciter, Acid, Abattoir, Jaguar, Fingernails, etc. A lot of German-type speed metal like Living Death, SDI and Warrant also fits well despite being less dirty and punkish in general, at times representing more melodic side of the genre. On the other hand, the earliest Bathory and Sodom, Bulldozer, Iron Angel represent more extreme, Satanic variety of speed metal. Metallica's KEA also might be considered a speed metal album, at least partially. Besides Motörhead and Venom, other NWOBHM era examples include 'Helpless' by Diamond Head, 'Sweet Danger' by Angel Witch, 'Shellshock' by Tank, 'Hellrazor' by Girlschool, etc.
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L57NT
It is tempting to declare speed metal a redundant genre. I was in this camp previously too, but now I think it is a bad idea to fully reduce speed metal to other genres, such as heavy, power or thrash. Why? Because there are many artists like Iron Angel, Atomkraft, Exorcist/Original Sin or Bulldozer, who didn't fit well enough in any of these adjacent genres. Thrash had sharper riffs, skank-beats and shouty gang vocals (exemplary mature thrash like RiB by Slayer is clearly distinct from KEA formula), early power metal was way too much focused on Maiden-esque features and melodic vocal-driven choruses, and I would say that classic heavy metal is already extremely broad genre to include speed metal in its ranks. Not to mention that more recent 2000s and 2010s speed metal became a phenomenon and scene on its own right, with bands such as Midnight, Speedwolf and Hellripper and many others.
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stevsh89
Great analysis! Fully agree. I'd say records like KEA and Show No Mercy by Slayer are the bridge between speed metal and thrash metal, so both albums can belong in either camp. Most of the first wave of black metal was essentially speed metal with satanic influences, so agree with Venom, Bathory, Sodom etc being part of this genre too.
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stevsh89
Hard to find many songs like it! Most speed metal is more raw and dirty, giving it a less polished feel. Megadeth are one of those bands that have been more technically minded and tornado of souls in particular has a way more polished production sound. Honestly the most similar stuff I have found has been more from bands like Judas Priest or Iron Maiden compared with some of the speed metal contemporaries.
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PuckettJp2
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PERMAFROST18
It just means metal that's fast. The term pre-dates almost every other metal subgenre term, hence its obsolescence.
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L57NT
For those who is still kinda confused about this, there is really no "conventional" understanding of what speed metal is. It means several things at the same time: 1) very fast and agressive stripped down traditional heavy metal (Exciter, Jaguar, Acid, Warhead, several songs from Motörhead, Judas Priest and other classic bands, etc etc), 2) early Maiden-esque incarnations of power metal and more recent non-flower power metal (early Blind Guardian, early Helloween, etc), 3) thrash metal with strong traditional heavy metal features (Metallica's and Slayer's debuts, etc), and probably some more. So, basically, there is no really such thing as speed metal as a separate genre.
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StewPidassole
Okay, so you moreso confuse Speed Metal with Power Metal. Helloween switched from Speed to Power metal after their first album. Same goes for Blind Guardian, they changed their style after changing their name from Lucifer's Heritage. The differences between their early work and later work are a few playing techniques found in Speed Metal that you won't usually find in Power Metal such as palm muting, alternate picking, and as the genres name may suggest higher bpms, all to give the songs more of an energetic flavor. Power Metal, on the other hand, uses techniques that you won't typically find in Speed Metal such as power chords and harmonization to give their songs more of an epic flavor. Just listen to Helloween's debut EP and then listen to Keeper of the Seven Keys. If you want an example of Speed Metal bands that never did Power Metal, Listen to Exciter (Canada), Blood Money (UK), Dr. Mastermind (US), Vectom (Germany), and DeadClaw (Japan).
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L57NT
I listen to a lot of this stuff. Exciter is one of my favourite bands actually, and they are just a heavier version of Judas Priest, pure heavy metal in a nutshell. Dr. Mastermind too, it's just 'Exciter' song revisited over and over, with some neoclassical solos thrown in. And this profoundly differs from early Helloween or BG, for example (although Helloween EP has a lot of classic Maiden-esque heavy yet, same true for some stuff on their debut album). To me, what you describe as power metal is just a more specific sub-genre of wider power metal genre. Just like Autopsy differs from Brodequin, but they still belong to the same genre: death metal.
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L57NT
I also don't understand why people consider Helloween's debut that different from 'Keys'. There are minor changes basically. Listen to 'Guardians' song, it has even that typical cheesy power metal chorus that often associates with the genre. Power metal is already here, just a bit rougher than Kamelot and Rhapsody. To me, power metal is focused on rich melodic choruses and vocals generally lead the way, while in trad heavy metal tends to emphasize riffs, and riffs build the backbone of the song. Accordingly to this, I consider early BG albums and Helloween debut to be an early form of power metal. There are still a lot of heavy metal roots visible, but it's already something new... Just like Possessed launched death metal with their still very thrashy Seven Churches.
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StewPidassole
You're not wrong about Exciter. They did name their band and base their who style around one Judas Priest song. That is essentially what Speed Metal is. Though I would say it's unfair to lable something as a "Priestian" sound when they have covered a variety of different sounds. They didn't fully embrace a Speed Metal sound until Painkiller. I think your perspective of what Heavy Metal is, is a bit skewed. Heavy Metal is more in the realm of Priest, Maiden, Saxon, Ozzy, and Riot. Exciter heard those sounds and from there decided to speed it up and make it more extreme, and other bands followed suit. Hence, Speed Metal. Helloween heard speed metal and from there made power metal. And Guardians may have that epic feel to it, but lacks the power chords that define what power metal is. When you listen to that song back to back with I Want Out, the differences start to appear. However I do agree that it is no doubt proto-power, and I think we agree that Speed and Power can blend.
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L57NT
My problem with this approach is that not all Exciter and other 'speed metal' bands songs are fast, to begin with. What about slower tempo stuff from Exciter and such? If you mix it with music from Saxon and something, in fact there is a big chance that you wouldn't say it different genre (implying blind listening test). Yeah, my definition of classic heavy metal is a bit wider than usual, but I believe it's justified. My definition is as wide as death metal or black metal. There are war metal, DSBM, raw black, and etc. And within classic heavy metal there are USPM, speed metal and etc. I consider speed metal a classic heavy metal sub-genre. Exciter are much closer to Judas Priest, than Conqueror to Ildjarn. We usually don't change the genre name simply because of artist deciding to speed things up. Cannibal Corpse are more intense than Death, but we don't consider CC a different genre.
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L57NT
Anyway, it's all boils down to the chosen criterion for differentiating the genres. My point is that usual classification isn't rigorous enough, and speed metal really should be thrown out out as an unnecessary link. It's too small and mostly consist of harder-edged classic heavy metal and proto-power metal. So it's possible to re-define power metal a bit and include early Helloween in it, ha! Occam's razor sort of thing.
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StewPidassole
I see, I agree that Speed Metal is an offshoot of Heavy Metal, most Metal subgenre roots can be traced back there. But the main reason I don't think it should be tossed aside is it's link between Heavy and Thrash Metal. Speed Metal took it's final form in bands like Razor, Hallows Eve, and Piledriver before it's eventual replacement by Thrash. I hear a lot more people confuse Speed and Thrash than I do Speed and Power. There is a big difference between the two, though. If you listen to Executioners Song and Shotgun Justice, you can tell. The who point of Rock and Metal is to push it to it's heaviest limit. And even when Speed Metal bands write slower songs, they're generally more aggressive than Heavy Metal. Speed Metal was the step after Heavy Metal and served as a remote for Thrash. Just because of how small a genre is doesn't render it obsolescence. Beside, Speed Metal has reemerged in recent years under the NWOTHM and NWOOSTM movements.
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L57NT
I'll try to look at this given your thoughts. I'm not sure yet if there is a definite 'speed metal' sound, and not just a heterogeneous set of bands who plays something borderline. But I got used to consider speed metal as a fake genre, and maybe I became too blind and too dismissive to some of these important aspects of music you mentioned. I get your idea that there is a grey zone between heavy, power and thrash, and you name it 'speed metal'. I just tend to name it directly, for example 'strongly heavy metal-influenced thrash' and so on.
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L57NT
If you wonder, I kinda accepted the usefulness of speed metal term after all, albeit in a narrower sense than you expect, perhaps. There is indeed some grey zone after all with bands like Exorcist, Original Sin, Warrant, Rage, SDI, Iron Angel and others. Without speed metal, both heavy metal and power metal look uncomfortably broad, and there are also thrashier bands with heavy metal-like drum kicks like Toxic Holocaust which I wouldn't like to consider pure thrash either. It is still quite loosely defined genre for such nerdy formalists like me, but there are as much mess with d-beat/crust, oi!/streetpunk and many other cases, so whatever
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tntmk
Speed Metal is somewhere in between heavy metal and power/thrash metal, for example first two Blind Guardian albums, Kai Hansen fronted Helloween, Scanner, Exciter and more. It doesn't mean fast metal (even if the name came from: faster than usual heavy metal) and no, DragonForce aren't even remotely speed metal. [2]
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StewPidassole
The difference between Speed and Thrash is that Speed Metal is standard tuned and Thrash Metal is drop tuned. That's why it sounds more melodic than Thrash.
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BastianDansk
Speed Metal: Venom, Diamond Head, Manowar, Manilla Road, Motorhead, some of Judas Priest, Exciter Thrash Metal: Speed Metal + Aggressiveness Power Metal: Speed Metal + Melody
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Kuroishi_x
Speed Metal is somewhere in between heavy metal and power/thrash metal, for example first two Blind Guardian albums, Kai Hansen fronted Helloween, Scanner, Exciter and more. It doesn't mean fast metal (even if the name came from: faster than usual heavy metal) and no, DragonForce aren't even remotely speed metal.
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L57NT
There is no universally accepted definition. Nonetheless this term has the right to exist for sure. As for me, speed metal is generally fast Motorhead / Judas Priest influenced heavy metal ferocity in the vein of the first Anthrax album, (early) Living Death, Exciter, Abattoir, early Running Wild and so on. I consider this stuff pure speed metal. Also there are no such thing as NWOBHM sound. NWOBHM consisted of heavy, doom, speed metal bands and even AOR and simple hard rock.
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LCDnewOrder
Literally what is fucking speed metal? I can't think of a single "pure" speed metal band, it's always either an NWOBHM band, a thrash band or a power metal band that people pick as an example
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Mantisman502
Y'all don't know old school American Power Metal like we do. Savatage, Lords of the Crimson Alliance, Omen, Attacker, Savage Grace, Agent Steel.
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twigg23fkd
Dragonforce are tagged as speed metal because stupid people think any metal with high tempos is speed metal. [3]
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hammerstrikebg
@ nospr - basically heavy metal evolved in two genres during the 80s - slow tempo - doom and mid and fast tempo - speed metal, so you are correct - power and thrash metal are sub genres of speed metal. Please note that all these 'genres' are not very solid and basically everything now is a big mix :)
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