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    Quoth Rodderz:
    However, if you're suffering surely the idea of nothing would be a comfort?

    Well yeah it depends; if I'm in a state that I just want things to end then I'll welcome the idea of nothing-ness.
    But for now, I'm more afraid of not feeling anything at all. :D

    Quoth smittyfree53:
    And after we die, we just become part of the Earth, so I guess we are sorta reborn in plants and stuff.

    You sound like a monk. *rolls eyes*
    But yep, I agree with the concept of 'the circle of life'.

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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 1 Feb 2006, 19:41
    William Blake was a legend, possibly the only poet i have ever liked.

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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  • Nietzsche said:
    "i want a god who stays dead, not plays dead. i, even i, can play dead."

    Well, if he, the "god", really plays dead, how are we supposed to find him? without any proofs? I am not gonna believe without judging and thinking. But he, the god wants THIS if he really exists...

    In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?
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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 2 Feb 2006, 22:27

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    Quoth revanthedarth:
    Nietzsche said:
    "i want a god who stays dead, not plays dead. i, even i, can play dead."

    Well, if he, the "god", really plays dead, how are we supposed to find him? without any proofs? I am not gonna believe without judging and thinking. But he, the god wants THIS if he really exists...

    But many people believe that what happens now has nothing to do with a god (notice i said 'a' because no-one knows which one is best :P) and that he did his bit in creating us and is now letting us grow. Alternatively, there is no god, which i find more comforting.

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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  • Why do you find a no-god theory comforting?

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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 3 Feb 2006, 00:33

    Re:

    Quoth giveuptheghost:
    Why do you find a no-god theory comforting?

    It answers a lot of questions, it'll stop several stupid (and ultimately pointless) religious conflicts and would (i think) bring a little bit familiarity among people as there'll be no more 'my god's better than your god' stuff going on.

    By the way i realise i should now have said 'no god(s)'.

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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  • God Is God

    • Caffeine-Fueled - Geek-wise and otherwise.
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  • Re:

    Without God
    :D

    In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?
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    • wimme said...
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    • 3 Feb 2006, 11:25

    Re:

    Quoth giveuptheghost:
    Why do you find a no-god theory comforting?

    Because a great multitude of different God-theories (religions) is discomforting, both from the secular point of view (Rodderz made that clear), as from the spiritual point of view (there's only one truth).

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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 3 Feb 2006, 11:36

    Re: Re:

    Quoth wimme:
    Quoth giveuptheghost:
    Why do you find a no-god theory comforting?

    Because a great multitude of different God-theories (religions) is discomforting, both from the secular point of view (Rodderz made that clear), as from the spiritual point of view (there's only one truth).

    I made something clear? Well now i'm proud :P

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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    Quoth wimme:
    there's only one truth
    Well, i dont think you're right at this point.
    Being good (lawful good, if you know about FRP) is the true way?
    But we are free... we must be. A man kills people because he thinks that killing isnt a bad thing, he does as he thinks about the truth.

    Everyone have a truth as long as you know the non-existence of god.
    If god existed, there would be one truth. One truth that we must obey. But neither truth nor god exists. some think truth is inside of republic, democratic countries will be only survivors. But some think communism is the only way to the salvation... How can you know which is true way? You may call one truth. But it isnt truth, it is your truth.

    In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?
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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 3 Feb 2006, 18:36

    Re: Re: Re:

    Quoth revanthedarth:
    Quoth wimme:
    there's only one truth
    Well, i dont think you're right at this point.
    Being good (lawful good, if you know about FRP) is the true way?
    But we are free... we must be. A man kills people because he thinks that killing isnt a bad thing, he does as he thinks about the truth.

    Everyone have a truth as long as you know the non-existence of god.
    If god existed, there would be one truth. One truth that we must obey. But neither truth nor god exists. some think truth is inside of republic, democratic countries will be only survivors. But some think communism is the only way to the salvation... How can you know which is true way? You may call one truth. But it isnt truth, it is your truth.


    There are millions of truths really, you make your own (which is what i believe you were saying). And even if there was one true God people would still disagree over issues, it's the way religion seems to work.

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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    • wimme said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 01:14
    You're both right.
    From a spiritual point of view, the unique truth I was referring to is one that God only knows and that no one will ever grasp completely. It keeps on amazing me however that bits and pieces of it are still being revealed these days, to those who look hard because they have a great desire to do things right.

    Even if God himself decides to be in your life every day, you will still have some "truth of your own", there's no way around it!
    We are indeed free. If you are forced into (believing) something, it does not come from God... but even less if you were tempted into (believing) something! You believe something when you are convinced it is best for you, and you convince yourself by trying it out.
    It should work kind of like a (hypothetical) relationship, where a child is disciplined by (perfect) parents.

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  • God has given us lots to think about and use..only problem is we still havent tapped into the inner self more than we need to..
    Navras

    As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world - that is the myth of the atomic age - as in being able to remake ourselves.
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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 20:48

    Re:

    Quoth Promethius:
    God has given us lots to think about and use..only problem is we still havent tapped into the inner self more than we need to..
    Navras

    Or we're only able to tap into these things due to the development of science, nothing to do with a god (of any kind). Oh, and god can never do anything wrong, ever noticed that? ' Blind man can see again ' would be called a miracle but 'fluffy animal santuary destroyed in freak avalanche' would be him moving in mysterious ways.

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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    • cowfoot said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 20:56
    Well...if there was a God, how come he let Graham Souness manage Newcastle Utd?

    Eeeeeep.
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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 20:57

    Re:

    Quoth cowfoot:
    Well...if there was a God, how come he let Graham Souness manage Newcastle Utd?

    I imagine mostly for laughs? I know i got a good time out of it.

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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    • cowfoot said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 21:08
    glad we keep people entertained...

    Eeeeeep.
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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 21:11

    Re:

    Quoth cowfoot:
    glad we keep people entertained...

    Oh you're a newcastle fan? Never seen you in the Football thread before :/ Maybe god is from sunderland?

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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    • wimme said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 22:30

    Re:Re:

    Quoth Rodderz:
    Quoth optiuum67:
    Yeah, but where did that matter and antimatter come from? It must have been created somehow too.
    Here's a better question for you, what was here before this universe?
    Here's yet another question: What will there be after this universe?

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    • cowfoot said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 22:31
    Tina Turner

    Eeeeeep.
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    Quoth wimme:
    Here's yet another question: What will there be after this universe?
    Well, how did you feel before you were born? You will feel just like this after you die.
    And, does an end have to exist? I think that people will destroy theirselves by weapons. And human race will be dead... for ever...

    And, there is no after. There is only now. You have nothing to do with future. Just live and dont waste your valuable time. They wont come back, there will be no-one to grant you with heaven. So, jusk know that there is no god and you have a small life to live.

    But, after... As i said, dwellers of the universe will destroy it... It will come, it must. Universe will exist till it's destroyed by dwellers of it. When its destroyed, it will exist no more. Simple...

    In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates?
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    • cowfoot said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 23:22
    yeah...
    it never fails to amaze me that people spend time and effort thinking about a putative "afterlife" when such energy could be devoted to the here and now...pathetic, really.

    Eeeeeep.
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    • Rodderz said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 23:26

    Re: Re: Re:Re:

    Quoth revanthedarth:
    Quoth wimme:
    Here's yet another question: What will there be after this universe?
    Well, how did you feel before you were born? You will feel just like this after you die.
    And, does an end have to exist? I think that people will destroy theirselves by weapons. And human race will be dead... for ever...

    And, there is no after. There is only now. You have nothing to do with future. Just live and dont waste your valuable time. They wont come back, there will be no-one to grant you with heaven. So, jusk know that there is no god and you have a small life to live.

    But, after... As i said, dwellers of the universe will destroy it... It will come, it must. Universe will exist till it's destroyed by dwellers of it. When its destroyed, it will exist no more. Simple...

    After this universe will be another, everything is on loop, one big bang has happened, quite probably big bangs happened before that as well. The universe will be destroyed and then it will begin again, same as it always does :P

    Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.

    Scrobblerwed to the awesome, the charming, the delactable Father_Bob! (i know how wrong it sounds!)
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    • wimme said...
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    • 4 Feb 2006, 23:57

    Re:Re:

    Quoth Rodderz:
    Quoth revanthedarth:
    Well, what would we become when we die? go to heaven/hell? become nothing? or, shall we be reborn? seems confusing...

    I think it just goes dark, there is no consciousness, nothing.

    That is a possibility. And you may remain like that until the end of this universe. When you wake up, it will make absolutely no difference whether you have been in that state for 100, 10000 or 100 million years.
    No matter how much you like to attribute consciousness to internal brain activity, it was never attached to our physical body, just like the magnetic energy of a coil is was never stored in its wire, but in the magnetic field around it. Isn't it so that the electromagnetic waves live on in empty space, also after the antenna has been destroyed? If this is true for such simple phenomena, why not for our consciousnesses as well?
    If such simple phenomena comply with basic principles that God revealed to us about eternal life and all, why wouldn't we ourselves comply, to whom the message was addressed?
    How is it possible that men, 1000 years BC, could write down principles that are consistent with phenomena in science, that are only nowadays discovered? Accidently? I don't want to bet an eternal life on that. Anything we discover in nature and science is a vague reflection of the more supreme principles that have always existed.
    Yes, this universe will tranform into another one and so far I can find no scientifically consistent way of escaping the next universe, and I don't think I would want to either.

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