Day of Silence

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- Zarggg said...
- User
- 25 Jun 2007, 23:27
Too all you people who are screaming about Free Speech/RIAA/US Regulations...

Last.fm is a UK company. United States law does not apply, nor does it need to.

The proper response in this case is for US members (and anyone else who is concerned) to not scrobble on June 26. The improper response is to threaten to leave this site if Last.fm does now bow to your wishes.

If you notice that a track I've scrobbled has wrong data, please send me a (polite!) message with the correct info.

[quote][b][user]Zarggg[/user][/b] said: Last.fm is a UK company. United States law does not apply, nor does it need to. The [i]proper[/i] response in this case is for US members (and anyone else who is concerned) to not scrobble on June 26. The [i]improper[/i] response is to threaten to leave this site if Last.fm does now bow to your wishes.[/quote]

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- optiuum67 said...
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- 25 Jun 2007, 23:40
I really wish those people would actually leave the site.

[quote][b][user]optiuum67[/user][/b] said: I really wish those people would actually leave the site.[/quote]
Edited by optiuum67 on 26 Jun 2007, 00:09

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- db0 said...
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- 26 Jun 2007, 00:00
What Noike said, and also it would punish their listeners while protesting something that the RIAA is doing. Look at all the good that the NHL players strike did for their sport, pissing off the fans. While the players were trying punish the owners, the customers walked awa

Heh, then I say that the NHL players pretty much succeeded. Customers leaving means much less money for the owners.

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[quote][b][user]db0[/user][/b] said: [quote]What Noike said, and also it would punish their listeners while protesting something that the RIAA is doing. Look at all the good that the NHL players strike did for their sport, pissing off the fans. While the players were trying punish the owners, the customers walked awa[/quote] Heh, then I say that the NHL players pretty much succeeded. Customers leaving means much less money for the owners.[/quote]

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- ilyanep said...
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- 26 Jun 2007, 00:01
Zarggg said:
Last.fm is a UK company. United States law does not apply, nor does it need to.

The proper response in this case is for US members (and anyone else who is concerned) to not scrobble on June 26. The improper response is to threaten to leave this site if Last.fm does now bow to your wishes.

Before I write this post understand I'm not one of the ones who are threatening to leave if the site doesn't follow the day of silence. It'd take something much worse than that to get me to leave one of my favorite websites [and the reasons provided are at least semi-valid].

Anyways, US law do totally apply to Last.fm, if only because a large part of their customers are in the US. This means that Last.fm needs to pay royalties to US companies or else they're not allowed to stream to the US [similar to how Pandora is only allowed to stream to the US].

[quote][b][user]ilyanep[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Zarggg[/user][/b] said: Last.fm is a UK company. United States law does not apply, nor does it need to. The [i]proper[/i] response in this case is for US members (and anyone else who is concerned) to not scrobble on June 26. The [i]improper[/i] response is to threaten to leave this site if Last.fm does now bow to your wishes.[/quote] Before I write this post understand I'm not one of the ones who are threatening to leave if the site doesn't follow the day of silence. It'd take something much worse than that to get me to leave one of my favorite websites [and the reasons provided are at least semi-valid]. Anyways, US law do totally apply to Last.fm, if only because a large part of their customers are in the US. This means that Last.fm needs to pay royalties to US companies or else they're not allowed to stream to the US [similar to how Pandora is only allowed to stream to the US].[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
- User
- 26 Jun 2007, 00:02
More thoughts

While I agree that US listeners should turn off their last.fm streams (as I am doing) on Tuesday, there's no reason we have to stop there. As a UK organization, last.fm is in a special position to help the US people and the only way we can defeat the problems facing us is with international solidarity. How about last.fm disabling streams to IP addresses in the US? I'm not threatening to leave but in my mind a company that puts business interests ahead of human interests is not a company I want to be associated with. I have emailed my elected representatives and called them at least a dozen times each and I've been one of those people forwarding those annoying "save net radio" letters, because this is an issue that is in the heart of the battle for the internet. The MAFIAA (MPAA+RIAA) tried to ban the vcr, the mp3 player, p2p networking, home taping, and now they're trying to kill internet radio. If last.fm doesn't stand up to them, they are saying that kind of anti-innovation activity is acceptable and it isn't.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: While I agree that US listeners should turn off their last.fm streams (as I am doing) on Tuesday, there's no reason we have to stop there. As a UK organization, last.fm is in a special position to help the US people and the only way we can defeat the problems facing us is with international solidarity. How about last.fm disabling streams to IP addresses in the US? I'm not threatening to leave but in my mind a company that puts business interests ahead of human interests is not a company I want to be associated with. I have emailed my elected representatives and called them at least a dozen times each and I've been one of those people forwarding those annoying "save net radio" letters, because this is an issue that is in the heart of the battle for the internet. The MAFIAA (MPAA+RIAA) tried to ban the vcr, the mp3 player, p2p networking, home taping, and now they're trying to kill internet radio. If last.fm doesn't stand up to them, they are saying that kind of anti-innovation activity is acceptable and [b]it isn't.[/b][/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
- User
- 26 Jun 2007, 00:37
Just think, if I were Last.fm? Of course I would put business interests ahead of a bunch of free-loaders whining over some crazy American laws... Gosh, these Americans won't stop, lol. I mean, with their crazy legislature. Sorry people, but Last.fm can't jeopardize their deals or whatever just because a couple of thousand of people live in the States.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: Just think, if I were Last.fm? Of course I would put business interests ahead of a bunch of free-loaders whining over some crazy American laws... Gosh, these Americans won't stop, lol. I mean, with their crazy legislature. Sorry people, but Last.fm can't jeopardize their deals or whatever just because a couple of thousand of people live in the States.[/quote]

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- foetusized said...
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- 26 Jun 2007, 01:18
db0 said:
What Noike said, and also it would punish their listeners while protesting something that the RIAA is doing. Look at all the good that the NHL players strike did for their sport, pissing off the fans. While the players were trying punish the owners, the customers walked away

Heh, then I say that the NHL players pretty much succeeded. Customers leaving means much less money for the owners.

So last.fm should shut down in protest and piss off their users, all so they can pay less in royalties to the RIAA wilst killing their business? That's brilliant.

"Just like I knew what I was doing" -- Foe

[quote][b][user]foetusized[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]db0[/user][/b] said: [quote]What Noike said, and also it would punish their listeners while protesting something that the RIAA is doing. Look at all the good that the NHL players strike did for their sport, pissing off the fans. While the players were trying punish the owners, the customers walked away[/quote] Heh, then I say that the NHL players pretty much succeeded. Customers leaving means much less money for the owners.[/quote] So last.fm should shut down in protest and piss off their users, all so they can pay less in royalties to the RIAA wilst killing their business? That's brilliant.[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
- User
- 26 Jun 2007, 01:50
Flaming

"So last.fm should shut down in protest and piss off their users, all so they can pay less in royalties to the RIAA wilst killing their business? That's brilliant."

I think we're here to discuss whether last.fm should participate or not, so I don't think it's "piss[ing] off the users" unless a broad majority of them don't approve (which seems to be the case). But please, let's keep this to rational discourse and try to keep the non-productive and sarcastic remarks to a minimum ; )

I guess this is the part where I walk away and just say that *I* won't be listening to last.fm tomorrow. I encourage others to do the same, since it looks like I'm not winning a lot of supporters here.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: "So last.fm should shut down in protest and piss off their users, all so they can pay less in royalties to the RIAA wilst killing their business? That's brilliant." I think we're here to discuss whether last.fm should participate or not, so I don't think it's "piss[ing] off the users" unless a broad majority of them don't approve (which seems to be the case). But please, let's keep this to rational discourse and try to keep the non-productive and sarcastic remarks to a minimum ; ) I guess this is the part where I walk away and just say that *I* won't be listening to last.fm tomorrow. I encourage others to do the same, since it looks like I'm not winning a lot of supporters here.[/quote]

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- GunzNRozezRULES said...
- User
- 26 Jun 2007, 02:16
Thank goodness Last.fm are not participating!

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

[quote][b][user]GunzNRozezRULES[/user][/b] said: Thank goodness Last.fm are not participating![/quote]

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- sretsof said...
- User
- 26 Jun 2007, 11:57
http://blog.last.fm/
that swayed me...

[quote][b][user]sretsof[/user][/b] said: http://blog.last.fm/ that swayed me...[/quote]

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- foetusized said...
- Subscriber
- 26 Jun 2007, 18:51
Sometimes sarcasm and snark are the only way to respond to foolishness.

The organizers of this protest, and all the whiners, still don't understand that the international internet doesn't revolve around the USA, and US royalty rates.

And, as usual, I'm not streaming any music today. Playing my own CDs ripped to my hard drive uses less of my employer's bandwidth. Perhaps I should stream something to show my support of last.fm

"Just like I knew what I was doing" -- Foe

[quote][b][user]foetusized[/user][/b] said: Sometimes sarcasm and snark are the only way to respond to foolishness. The organizers of this protest, and all the whiners, still don't understand that the international internet doesn't revolve around the USA, and US royalty rates. And, as usual, I'm not streaming any music today. Playing my own CDs ripped to my hard drive uses less of my employer's bandwidth. Perhaps I should stream something to show my support of last.fm[/quote]

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- mwalimu said...
- User
- 26 Jun 2007, 19:03
A couple of points to make after catching up on this discussion.

First, I never advocated last.fm shutting down entirely; I was only suggesting that they shut off the radio feeds for the day. The rest of last.fm's functionality (scrobbling, etc.) would be unaffected. And I too am disappointed that last.fm has elected not to participate in this manner.

Second, the excessive royalty rates that are behind all this are already a done deal that will get imposed on July 15 unless something happens to a stop to them. The proposed legislation is an attempt to do just that, to set much more reasonable rates and guidelines, and it deserves out support.

[quote][b][user]mwalimu[/user][/b] said: A couple of points to make after catching up on this discussion. First, I never advocated last.fm shutting down entirely; I was only suggesting that they shut off the radio feeds for the day. The rest of last.fm's functionality (scrobbling, etc.) would be unaffected. And I too am disappointed that last.fm has elected not to participate in this manner. Second, the excessive royalty rates that are behind all this are already a done deal that will get imposed on July 15 unless something happens to a stop to them. The proposed legislation is an attempt to do just that, to set much more reasonable rates and guidelines, and it deserves out support.[/quote]

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- ionbulgar said...
- User
- 26 Jun 2007, 23:09
What a sellout.

It's a complete disgrace Last.fm didn't took part in the protest, because it's clear they don't support it now that they are part of CBS (that makes money out of all this terrible legislation).

Especially now when their service was almost inexistent during the last week, due to a several complete system failures, they could have taken a day off and clean it up.

[quote][b][user]ionbulgar[/user][/b] said: What a sellout. It's a complete disgrace Last.fm didn't took part in the protest, because it's clear they don't support it now that they are part of CBS (that makes money out of all this terrible legislation). Especially now when their service was almost inexistent during the last week, due to a several complete system failures, they could have taken a day off and clean it up.[/quote]

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- jones77 said...
- Subscriber
- 27 Jun 2007, 00:25
I think they did take the day off.

It's just that somebody forgot to turn the lights out when they left ...

[quote][b][user]jones77[/user][/b] said: I think they did take the day off. It's just that somebody forgot to turn the lights out when they left ...[/quote]

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- SupaDawg said...
- User
- 27 Jun 2007, 03:28
As a long time last.fm user i'm quite surprised they didn't take part. even the guys at DI.fm (I believe not american based) went silent today.

And i'd say "That's big business" but really, Yahoo & AOL both went silent.

Oh well. whatever. I don't use the streams here anyways. lol

[quote][b][user]SupaDawg[/user][/b] said: As a long time last.fm user i'm quite surprised they didn't take part. even the guys at DI.fm (I believe not american based) went silent today. And i'd say "That's big business" but really, Yahoo & AOL both went silent. Oh well. whatever. I don't use the streams here anyways. lol[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
- User
- 27 Jun 2007, 09:57
Do you think if this were happening in the UK that Americans would be doing the same for us?

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: Do you think if this were happening in the UK that Americans would be doing the same for us?[/quote]

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- cowfoot said...
- User
- 27 Jun 2007, 17:02
You guys have the internet in Europe? Seriously?

Eeeeeep.

[quote][b][user]cowfoot[/user][/b] said: You guys have the internet in Europe? [i][b]Seriously?[/quote]

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- LilTheater said...
- User
- 27 Jun 2007, 17:30
SupaDawg said:
As a long time last.fm user i'm quite surprised they didn't take part. even the guys at DI.fm (I believe not american based) went silent today.
I think DI.fm is actually US based, at least that's implied by their blog posts on the subject (apparently they'd owe about $2million with the new fees).

[edit] FAQ has the answer
Yes, we are a corporate entity called Digitally Imported, Inc. - incorporated in the US in the state of New York. We pay royalties for the use of music to the required organizations under US laws.

[quote][b][user]LilTheater[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]SupaDawg[/user][/b] said: As a long time last.fm user i'm quite surprised they didn't take part. even the guys at DI.fm (I believe not american based) went silent today.[/quote] I think DI.fm is actually US based, at least that's implied by their blog posts on the subject (apparently they'd owe about $2million with the new fees). [edit] FAQ has the answer [quote]Yes, we are a corporate entity called Digitally Imported, Inc. - incorporated in the US in the state of New York. We pay royalties for the use of music to the required organizations under US laws.[/quote][/quote]

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- SupaDawg said...
- User
- 29 Jun 2007, 09:20
LilTheater said:
SupaDawg said:
As a long time last.fm user i'm quite surprised they didn't take part. even the guys at DI.fm (I believe not american based) went silent today.
FAQ has the answer
Yes, we are a corporate entity called Digitally Imported, Inc. - incorporated in the US in the state of New York. We pay royalties for the use of music to the required organizations under US laws.

Well look at that. lol. All this time i was under the distinct impression these guys were operating from out of Eastern Europe. I suppose you learn something new every day.

[quote][b][user]SupaDawg[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]LilTheater[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]SupaDawg[/user][/b] said: As a long time last.fm user i'm quite surprised they didn't take part. even the guys at DI.fm (I believe not american based) went silent today.[/quote] FAQ has the answer [quote]Yes, we are a corporate entity called Digitally Imported, Inc. - incorporated in the US in the state of New York. We pay royalties for the use of music to the required organizations under US laws.[/quote][/quote] Well look at that. lol. All this time i was under the distinct impression these guys were operating from out of Eastern Europe. I suppose you learn something new every day.[/quote]

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- Skyrail said...
- User
- 30 Jun 2007, 16:30
cowfoot said:
You guys have the internet in Europe? Seriously?

D: it's srsbns yano :P

I don't see why last.fm should, if they didn't want to go silent...then they didn't have to lol

[quote][b][user]Skyrail[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]cowfoot[/user][/b] said: You guys have the internet in Europe? [i][b]Seriously?[/quote] D: it's srsbns yano :P I don't see why last.fm should, if they didn't want to go silent...then they didn't have to lol[/quote]

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