Group & Country Weekly Charts

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- RJ said...
- Staff
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:17
Group & Country Weekly Charts

Yesterday was the first time our updated weekly chart framework saw some action. We're now plotting country and group charts, as well as the usual user charts, every Sunday afternoon.

Notice the places link on country pages, and country pages now have their own weekly charts.

Groups with at least 10 members should also have weekly charts now.

Ability to browse past weeks and syndicate charts will appear in a few weeks, once we're happy with the way it's working.

In other news, statistics from badly spelled artists are being merged into the correct spelling, thanks to all the moderations that have been going on. This is about half way complete, and will get a mention on the front page in more detail later this week. Some people may already have noticed that duplicate artists in the top artists list have been merged.

UPDATE: We're going to plot number of unique listeners AND total playcounts for groups, so both options are available (good for small groups).

Information wants to be beer.

[quote][b][user]RJ[/user][/b] said: Yesterday was the first time our updated weekly chart framework saw some action. We're now plotting country and group charts, as well as the usual user charts, every Sunday afternoon. Notice the [url=/places/]places[/url] link on country pages, and country pages now have their own weekly charts. [url=/groups/]Groups[/url] with at least 10 members should also have weekly charts now. Ability to browse past weeks and syndicate charts will appear in a few weeks, once we're happy with the way it's working. In other news, statistics from badly spelled artists are being merged into the correct spelling, thanks to all the moderations that have been going on. This is about half way complete, and will get a mention on the front page in more detail later this week. Some people may already have noticed that duplicate artists in the top artists list have been merged. [b]UPDATE:[/b] We're going to plot number of unique listeners AND total playcounts for groups, so both options are available (good for small groups). [/quote]
Edited by RJ on 22 Feb 2005, 16:31

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- ttfp said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:24
Glad to know things are beginning to take off. Now if only my stats updated. ;)

My stats still show duplicate entries. When they get updated, should they then merge?

[quote][b][user]ttfp[/user][/b] said: Glad to know things are beginning to take off. Now if only my stats updated. ;) My stats still show duplicate entries. When they get updated, should they then merge?[/quote]

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- RJ said...
- Staff
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:26
Yes, when those artists are merged, your stats will then show 1 artist instead of 2 identical ones.. only once your lists update tho.
The merging process is slowing down the list generation a tad, but we only have to clear this backlog once, then it's just a handful each day.

Information wants to be beer.

[quote][b][user]RJ[/user][/b] said: Yes, when those artists are merged, your stats will then show 1 artist instead of 2 identical ones.. only once your lists update tho. The merging process is slowing down the list generation a tad, but we only have to clear this backlog once, then it's just a handful each day.[/quote]

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- Obsydian said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:28
Cool.

But....

[ignore]
One small bug. Take a look at Female fronted Metal. Shouldn't Nightwish have more than 66 plays looking at the Top Track plays... or is the count a relative rather than absolute index? [/ignore]

Do we also loose the consolidated top artists and tracks?

Edit: ignore the 'plays' thing. I'm just learning to read :-)

[quote][b][user]Obsydian[/user][/b] said: Cool. But.... [ignore] One small bug. Take a look at [group]Female fronted Metal[/group]. Shouldn't Nightwish have more than 66 plays looking at the Top Track plays... or is the count a relative rather than absolute index? [/ignore] Do we also loose the consolidated top artists and tracks? Edit: ignore the 'plays' thing. I'm just learning to read :-)[/quote]
Edited by Obsydian on 21 Feb 2005, 15:31

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- catchinstars said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:33
I was wondering if names of bands that automatically turn all into CAPS would be changed as well? It's very annoying when they do that :(

Same thing when they're no capital letters at all..

[quote][b][user]catchinstars[/user][/b] said: I was wondering if names of bands that automatically turn all into CAPS would be changed as well? It's very annoying when they do that :( Same thing when they're no capital letters at all.. [/quote]

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- _Sexy_Pants_ said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:37
Progress Progress! Keep up the good work!

[quote][b][user]_Sexy_Pants_[/user][/b] said: Progress Progress! Keep up the good work![/quote]

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- said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:40
yeah the new group lists are phat. good work guys

now one person can't ruin a whole groups chart.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: yeah the new group lists are phat. good work guys now one person can't ruin a whole groups chart.[/quote]

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- K1MO said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:44
Re: Group & Country Weekly Charts

Quoth RJ:
Groups with at least 10 members should also have weekly charts now..

:'(
we are only 4 persons in the group because we are living together in a flat.. so we'll never get weekly stats?? :((

edit: wahh, what's that?? i had a look to our group page, and it's not only that we have no weekly stats but no stats at all...
sorry to say this, but in the last few months for me audioscrobbler got worse, unpure and complicated

"All I know is that first you've got to get mad!"

[quote][b][user]K1MO[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth RJ[/b]: [url=/groups/]Groups[/url] with at least 10 members should also have weekly charts now..[/quote] :'( [url=http://www.audioscrobbler.com/group/B17waymore]we[/url] are only 4 persons in the group because we are living together in a flat.. so we'll never get weekly stats?? :(( edit: wahh, what's that?? i had a look to [url=http://www.audioscrobbler.com/group/B17waymore]our group page[/url], and it's not only that we have no weekly stats but no stats at all... sorry to say this, but in the last few months for me audioscrobbler got worse, unpure and complicated[/quote]
Edited by K1MO on 21 Feb 2005, 15:51

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- said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:46
Cool!

Though one of my groups weekly charts looks a bit wrong. The Darkness are top with 5 listens, yet I myself have listened to 101 Smashing Pumpkins songs last week!

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: Cool! Though one of my groups weekly charts looks a bit wrong. The Darkness are top with 5 listens, yet I myself have listened to 101 Smashing Pumpkins songs last week![/quote]

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- Obsydian said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:50
Re:

Quoth Nightfreak:
Cool!

Though one of my groups weekly charts looks a bit wrong. The Darkness are top with 5 listens, yet I myself have listened to 101 Smashing Pumpkins songs last week!

As someone who has just learnt to read...

Chart values indicate the number of different group members who listened to a given item in the past week.

[quote][b][user]Obsydian[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth Nightfreak[/b]: Cool! Though one of my groups weekly charts looks a bit wrong. The Darkness are top with 5 listens, yet I myself have listened to 101 Smashing Pumpkins songs last week![/quote] As someone who has just learnt to read... [quote]Chart values indicate [b]the number of different group members[/b] who listened to a given item in the past week.[/quote] [/quote]

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- K1MO said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 15:57
Re:

Quoth PhatCam:
yeah the new group lists are phat. good work guys

now one person can't ruin a whole groups chart.

ruin?? when a member is able to join a group he doesn't ruin charts, he brings new influence.. a group is a thing of being together not to destroy and fight.. u guys are funny

"All I know is that first you've got to get mad!"

[quote][b][user]K1MO[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth PhatCam[/b]: yeah the new group lists are phat. good work guys now one person can't ruin a whole groups chart.[/quote] ruin?? when a member is able to join a group he doesn't ruin charts, he brings new influence.. a group is a thing of being together not to destroy and fight.. u guys are funny[/quote]

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- AndyChrz said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 16:04
MERGING!!!

It's Christmas in February!!! Hooray!!!

My 2500+ mods have not gone in vain! Thank you to all the AS crew for the hard work, once again.

Here are the awesome record company groups that i lead here on Last.fm... Black Market Activities, Eulogy, Ferret, Ironclad, Lambgoat, Mediaskare, Metal Blade, Prosthetic, Roadrunner, Sumerian, Thorp, Trustkill, Willowtip

[quote][b][user]AndyChrz[/user][/b] said: MERGING!!! It's Christmas in February!!! Hooray!!! My 2500+ mods have not gone in vain! Thank you to all the AS crew for the hard work, once again.[/quote]

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- Russ said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 16:09
Re: Re:

Quoth K1MO:
Quoth PhatCam:
yeah the new group lists are phat. good work guys

now one person can't ruin a whole groups chart.

ruin?? when a member is able to join a group he doesn't ruin charts, he brings new influence.. a group is a thing of being together not to destroy and fight.. u guys are funny

Err, bullshit? If someone who has 100,000 tracks joins a small group where everyone else only has 1000 plays, they are going to completely take over that group's chart. I can't see how that's "bringing new influence", it's significantly skewing the statistics in favour of someone who has been around longer.

[quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth K1MO[/b]: [quote][b]Quoth PhatCam[/b]: yeah the new group lists are phat. good work guys now one person can't ruin a whole groups chart.[/quote] ruin?? when a member is able to join a group he doesn't ruin charts, he brings new influence.. a group is a thing of being together not to destroy and fight.. u guys are funny[/quote] Err, bullshit? If someone who has 100,000 tracks joins a small group where everyone else only has 1000 plays, they are going to completely take over that group's chart. I can't see how that's "bringing new influence", it's significantly skewing the statistics in favour of someone who has been around longer. [/quote]

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- K1MO said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 16:23
nah, ok. agree.
it's just that i like total listens more

"All I know is that first you've got to get mad!"

[quote][b][user]K1MO[/user][/b] said: nah, ok. agree. it's just that i like total listens more[/quote]

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- room13 said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 16:45
You are all bloody marvellous :D

[quote][b][user]room13[/user][/b] said: You are all bloody marvellous :D[/quote]

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- Lukens said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:04
It great.

Though a total listens (aka: old style) chart would have been nice too.

Plus charts for sub-10-members groups :(

[quote][b][user]Lukens[/user][/b] said: It great. Though a total listens (aka: old style) chart would have been nice too. Plus charts for sub-10-members groups :([/quote]

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- ericg said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:09
love it but

Okay, this is a wierd one, but here goes:

My weekly chart shows I listened to The Mountain Goats 97 times. But the Mountain Goats don't show up in either of the two General Groups I founded, Austin City Limits and SXSW, even though the top artist for those two had 20 listens and 8 listens, respectively.

Clues?

[quote][b][user]ericg[/user][/b] said: Okay, this is a wierd one, but here goes: My weekly chart shows I listened to The Mountain Goats 97 times. But the Mountain Goats don't show up in either of the two General Groups I founded, [url=http://www.audioscrobbler.com/group/Austin%2BCity%2BLimits]Austin City Limits[/url] and [url=http://www.audioscrobbler.com/group/SXSW]SXSW[/url], even though the top artist for those two had 20 listens and 8 listens, respectively. Clues?[/quote]

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- Lukens said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:11
Re: love it but

Quoth ericg:
Clues?

Read the last post on the previous page.

[quote][b][user]Lukens[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth ericg[/b]: Clues?[/quote] Read the last post on the previous page. [/quote]

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- said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:18
do people read anything before they decide to post?

i think most people at least manage the opening post to a new thread.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: do people read anything before they decide to post? i think most people at least manage the opening post to a new thread. [/quote]

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- ttfp said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:25
So would it be possible to have the two formats up up some point? i.e. one set of charts for number of unique listeners, and the other for total track plays?

[quote][b][user]ttfp[/user][/b] said: So would it be possible to have the two formats up up some point? i.e. one set of charts for number of unique listeners, and the other for total track plays?[/quote]

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- Snob said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:28
I think it's a very bad idea to remove the old-style group charts. Now smaller groups don't have any use, and it's not likely they are going to grow this way.
I know there probably were a lot of reasons for doing this, and this is a great free service and all, but I am somewhat pissed about this. :(

[quote][b][user]Snob[/user][/b] said: I think it's a very bad idea to remove the old-style group charts. Now smaller groups don't have any use, and it's not likely they are going to grow this way. I know there probably were a lot of reasons for doing this, and this is a great free service and all, but I am somewhat pissed about this. :([/quote]

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- said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:39
One of my groups lost its running total stats?

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: One of my groups lost its running total stats?[/quote]

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- DFWtheBold said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:50
I had 2 Eagles now merged into 1. Good job.

But I still have 2 Afro Celts and 2 Alan Parsons Project.

GAF

[quote][b][user]DFWtheBold[/user][/b] said: I had 2 Eagles now merged into 1. Good job. But I still have 2 Afro Celts and 2 Alan Parsons Project.[/quote]

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- Lord_Indur said...
- Subscriber
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:50
I like the most-listened charts, but I would VERY MUCH like to see the old top-lists stay as well. They were pretty much the reason for me joining many groups, and they show lots of interesting things.
Especially with member/owner approval groups, where the group can decide for themselves whether someone with lots of songs played is allowed in...

Think about it if you please.

It's always the way, isn't it? A civilisation flowers, then a bunch of barbarians with close-set eyes show up and step on it.
--

[quote][b][user]Lord_Indur[/user][/b] said: I like the most-listened charts, but I would VERY MUCH like to see the old top-lists stay as well. They were pretty much the reason for me joining many groups, and they show lots of interesting things. Especially with member/owner approval groups, where the group can decide for themselves whether someone with lots of songs played is allowed in... Think about it if you please.[/quote]

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- Shunt said...
- User
- 21 Feb 2005, 17:53
Re:

Quoth ttfp:
So would it be possible to have the two formats up up some point? i.e. one set of charts for number of unique listeners, and the other for total track plays?

Maby you could keep the old charts for the small groups and the new system for the big groups.

[quote][b][user]Shunt[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth ttfp[/b]: So would it be possible to have the two formats up up some point? i.e. one set of charts for number of unique listeners, and the other for total track plays?[/quote] Maby you could keep the old charts for the small groups and the new system for the big groups. [/quote]

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