plugin for pandora?

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- moonfever said...
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- 7 Sep 2005, 03:50
plugin for pandora?

i use pandora (http://pandora.com) quite a bit for my musical needs. would it be possible to get a plugin for that site at some point in the future?

[quote][b][user]moonfever[/user][/b] said: i use pandora (http://pandora.com) quite a bit for my musical needs. would it be possible to get a plugin for that site at some point in the future?[/quote]

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- Zampa said...
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- 12 Nov 2005, 01:06
yeah that would be nice! pandora isn't letting you have access to the data much yet.

[quote][b][user]Zampa[/user][/b] said: yeah that would be nice! pandora isn't letting you have access to the data much yet.[/quote]

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- johnli said...
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- 12 Nov 2005, 13:52
No, it's a streaming site and AS does not currently accept streams for a variety of reasons discussed previously.

[quote][b][user]johnli[/user][/b] said: No, it's a streaming site and AS does not currently accept streams for a variety of reasons discussed previously.[/quote]

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- ahoier said...
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- 13 Nov 2005, 04:28
that, and pandora seems to be more geared towards "discovering" new artists, and yea, it IS very good at it, I have to admit. I typed in Mest, and yea, after an hour or so of listening and ranking the songs, I got a whole list of CDs that Amazon.com needs to send me now.....haha.

Where as, Last.FM is geared towards music in general, known and unknown artists; but geared more towards the casual listener who listens to music they are already familiar with (my own opinion, from what I've seen anyways :P).

P.S. Props to Zampa for using the Search feature too! Lol. Just noticed how old of a post this is :)

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[quote][b][user]ahoier[/user][/b] said: that, and pandora seems to be more geared towards "discovering" [b]new[/b] artists, and yea, it IS very good at it, I have to admit. I typed in Mest, and yea, after an hour or so of listening and ranking the songs, I got a whole list of CDs that Amazon.com needs to send me now.....haha. Where as, Last.FM is geared towards music in general, known and unknown artists; but geared more towards the casual listener who listens to music they are already familiar with (my own opinion, from what I've seen anyways :P). P.S. Props to [user]Zampa[/user] for using the Search feature too! Lol. Just noticed how old of a post this is :)[/quote]

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- Isdaron said...
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- 27 Nov 2005, 18:25
Re:

Quoth johnli:
No, it's a streaming site and AS does not currently accept streams for a variety of reasons discussed previously.

Right, because streams do not allow you to choose what music you would like to hear.

Pandora is different. It allows you control over the stream - just like last.fm does.

That's why I would love to have the Pandora support, too.

Best, Bjoern

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[quote][b][user]Isdaron[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth [user]johnli[/user][/b]: No, it's a streaming site and AS does not currently accept streams for a variety of reasons discussed previously.[/quote] Right, because streams do not allow you to choose what music you would like to hear. Pandora is different. It allows you control over the stream - just like last.fm does. That's why I would love to have the Pandora support, too. Best, Bjoern[/quote]

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- Russ said...
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- 27 Nov 2005, 18:33
Well we support LaunchCast, so there's no reason why we couldn't support Pandora too.

Having said that, writing a plugin for Pandora would be a royal pain in the arse - you'd either need to sniff the stream or do some amusing OCR on the window.

[quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] said: Well we support LaunchCast, so there's no reason why we couldn't support Pandora too. Having said that, writing a plugin for Pandora would be a royal pain in the arse - you'd either need to sniff the stream or do some amusing OCR on the window.[/quote]

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- spacefish said...
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- 28 Nov 2005, 08:01
Bah, now you guys went and got me all mesmerised by Pandora. Sure, I'd like a plugin for it too now. :P

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[quote][b][user]spacefish[/user][/b] said: Bah, now you guys went and got me all mesmerised by Pandora. Sure, I'd like a plugin for it too now. :P[/quote]

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- ericbailey said...
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- 30 Nov 2005, 19:00
I... third(?) that!

[quote][b][user]ericbailey[/user][/b] said: I... third(?) that![/quote]

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- Isdaron said...
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- 1 Dec 2005, 23:02
Re:

Quoth Russ:
Well we support LaunchCast, so there's no reason why we couldn't support Pandora too.

Having said that, writing a plugin for Pandora would be a royal pain in the arse - you'd either need to sniff the stream or do some amusing OCR on the window.

Well,

maybe talking to the guys over there would allow for a more simple solution? I recall Vic Wong from their user support to be very friendly and responsive. You can reach him at first name @pandora.com

Best, Bjoern

If you're into smooth Hip Hop with funky beats, join us in the Jazz Hop Group.
Listening to fine lyricists like The Roots, Guru's Jazzmatazz, A Tribe Called Quest et al.

[quote][b][user]Isdaron[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth [user]Russ[/user][/b]: Well we support LaunchCast, so there's no reason why we couldn't support Pandora too. Having said that, writing a plugin for Pandora would be a royal pain in the arse - you'd either need to sniff the stream or do some amusing OCR on the window.[/quote] Well, maybe talking to the guys over there would allow for a more simple solution? I recall Vic Wong from their user support to be very friendly and responsive. You can reach him at first name @pandora.com Best, Bjoern[/quote]

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- Aono said...
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- 2 Dec 2005, 04:24
Do it! :D

_(Please)

[quote][b][user]Aono[/user][/b] said: Do it! :D [sub](Please)[/sub][/quote]

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- zephirnl said...
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- 5 Dec 2005, 13:06
pandora support would be great!

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[quote][b][user]zephirnl[/user][/b] said: pandora support would be great! [/quote]

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- thechitowncubs said...
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- 29 Jan 2006, 04:57
impossible till proven otherwise

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[quote][b][user]thechitowncubs[/user][/b] said: impossible till proven otherwise[/quote]

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- Isdaron said...
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- 29 Jan 2006, 20:00
Re:

Quoth thechitowncubs:
impossible till proven otherwise

I just wrote Tim Westergren, the one of the founders of Pandora with the request to implement last.fm support for their subscribers. If you want to make your voice heard on this matter, too - please write to pandora-support@pandora.com

I'm posting the letter here, so you can copy off it, if you want.

>>>>>
Hi Tim,

I just wanted to let you know that there is just one thing at the moment that keeps me away from subscribing to Pandora.

And that is the lacking support for last.fm charts. See, I love to track my listening habits with last.fm and take a look at, what my friends are listening to. I already found quite a few friends with a similar music taste using the system.

The problem is: everyting I listen to on Pandora is "lost" for my last.fm profile.

Of course last.fm and Pandora are competitors in the profile radio segment - so I understand that you might not be too enthusiastic to support the audioscrobbler/last.fm system.

So why not make the ability to write the songs to your last.fm profile a pandora subscriber feature? Then you would get subscription revenue from the users that want to track their listening habits with last.fm - and not lose any business to them.

The demand is there: http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/49441/1#f793881

It would be great, if you could consider implementing the required audioscrobbler protocol (www.audioscrobbler.com)

Best, Bjoern
<<<<<<<<

If you're into smooth Hip Hop with funky beats, join us in the Jazz Hop Group.
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[quote][b][user]Isdaron[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth [user]thechitowncubs[/user][/b]: impossible till proven otherwise[/quote] I just wrote Tim Westergren, the one of the founders of Pandora with the request to implement last.fm support for their subscribers. If you want to make your voice heard on this matter, too - please write to pandora-support@pandora.com I'm posting the letter here, so you can copy off it, if you want. >>>>> Hi Tim, I just wanted to let you know that there is just one thing at the moment that keeps me away from subscribing to Pandora. And that is the lacking support for last.fm charts. See, I love to track my listening habits with last.fm and take a look at, what my friends are listening to. I already found quite a few friends with a similar music taste using the system. The problem is: everyting I listen to on Pandora is "lost" for my last.fm profile. Of course last.fm and Pandora are competitors in the profile radio segment - so I understand that you might not be too enthusiastic to support the audioscrobbler/last.fm system. So why not make the ability to write the songs to your last.fm profile a pandora subscriber feature? Then you would get subscription revenue from the users that want to track their listening habits with last.fm - and not lose any business to them. The demand is there: http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/49441/1#f793881 It would be great, if you could consider implementing the required audioscrobbler protocol (www.audioscrobbler.com) Best, Bjoern <<<<<<<<[/quote]

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- Shof515 said...
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- 29 Jan 2006, 23:34
I use pandora at work becuase it plays more of the music that i like to listen by different artists where as last.fm dont do that much and play something different..It will be nice to support this

[quote][b][user]Shof515[/user][/b] said: I use pandora at work becuase it plays more of the music that i like to listen by different artists where as last.fm dont do that much and play something different..It will be nice to support this[/quote]

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- antiphon said...
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- 29 Jan 2006, 23:49
I actually keep a ~1min silent .ogg file on hand for when I come across something on Pandora that grabs me & that I feel should be represented on last.fm, and edit the tags as I go. A slightly dodgy practice, but some little-known artists I've found there have small/diverse fanbases which spice up my recommendations gladly. This is the only solution I've found so far for accurately submitting each song from a mix CD burnt as one long track, too.

[quote][b][user]antiphon[/user][/b] said: I actually keep a ~1min silent .ogg file on hand for when I come across something on Pandora that grabs me & that I feel should be represented on last.fm, and edit the tags as I go. A slightly dodgy practice, but some little-known artists I've found there have small/diverse fanbases which spice up my recommendations gladly. This is the only solution I've found so far for accurately submitting each song from a mix CD burnt as one long track, too.[/quote]

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- Isdaron said...
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- 30 Jan 2006, 00:11
Re:

Quoth antiphon:
I actually keep a ~1min silent .ogg file on hand for when I come across something on Pandora that grabs me & that I feel should be represented on last.fm, and edit the tags as I go. A slightly dodgy practice, but some little-known artists I've found there have small/diverse fanbases which spice up my recommendations gladly. This is the only solution I've found so far for accurately submitting each song from a mix CD burnt as one long track, too.

Quite frankly, I would never go to such lengths to really accurately report my listening :-)

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[quote][b][user]Isdaron[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth [user]antiphon[/user][/b]: I actually keep a ~1min silent .ogg file on hand for when I come across something on Pandora that grabs me & that I feel should be represented on last.fm, and edit the tags as I go. A slightly dodgy practice, but some little-known artists I've found there have small/diverse fanbases which spice up my recommendations gladly. This is the only solution I've found so far for accurately submitting each song from a mix CD burnt as one long track, too.[/quote] Quite frankly, I would never go to such lengths to really accurately report my listening :-)[/quote]

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- antiphon said...
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- 30 Jan 2006, 00:25
When you're adding to an artist's listener count of less than twenty or so, it all seems a bit more worthwhile :)

[quote][b][user]antiphon[/user][/b] said: When you're adding to an artist's listener count of less than twenty or so, it all seems a bit more worthwhile :)[/quote]

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- ahoier said...
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- 30 Jan 2006, 19:27
haha, good idea. :P

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[quote][b][user]ahoier[/user][/b] said: haha, good idea. :P[/quote]

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- vdub6127 said...
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- 30 Jan 2006, 23:48
Hi, this is Vic from Pandora.

Great to see some discussion going on about Pandora here on the last.fm forum. I honestly didn't expect to see so much support from this community, particularly since lots of bloggers seem interested in pitting us against each other. As such, I feared that most last.fm users would be vehemently against Pandora. Its very refreshing to see the opposite is going on here.

Sure, our approaches to music analysis are different, but there are no hard feelings. I personally think last.fm is great.

As Russ mentioned, developing a plugin for Pandora presents a unique challenge, since it is a flash-based application and we do not currently have any open API's for querying our playlist engines.

However, changes in Pandora in the recent months might make it easier to develop plugins. For example, there is a world viewable favorites page (with a static URL) for each user. Perhaps this page could be queried and fed into last.fm profiles. Also, track titles are dynamically refreshed into the browser title bar of Pandora.com, so perhaps that could be of use (certianly an easier solution than OCR or packet sniffing!)

If any members of the last.fm staff would like to get in contact with us to discuss the options, I'd be happy to put you all in contact with the business development team here. Just shoot me an email at vic@pandora.com

Best!

[quote][b][user]vdub6127[/user][/b] said: Hi, this is Vic from Pandora. Great to see some discussion going on about Pandora here on the last.fm forum. I honestly didn't expect to see so much support from this community, particularly since lots of bloggers seem interested in [url=http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2006/01/pandora_vs_last.html]pitting us against each other[/url]. As such, I feared that most last.fm users would be vehemently against Pandora. Its very refreshing to see the opposite is going on here. Sure, our approaches to music analysis are different, but there are no hard feelings. I personally think last.fm is great. As Russ mentioned, developing a plugin for Pandora presents a unique challenge, since it is a flash-based application and we do not currently have any open API's for querying our playlist engines. However, changes in Pandora in the recent months might make it easier to develop plugins. For example, there is a world viewable favorites page (with a static URL) for each user. Perhaps this page could be queried and fed into last.fm profiles. Also, track titles are dynamically refreshed into the browser title bar of Pandora.com, so perhaps that could be of use (certianly an easier solution than OCR or packet sniffing!) If any members of the last.fm staff would like to get in contact with us to discuss the options, I'd be happy to put you all in contact with the business development team here. Just shoot me an email at vic@pandora.com Best![/quote]
Edited by vdub6127 on 31 Jan 2006, 22:30

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- spazz said...
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- 31 Jan 2006, 03:41
Bloggers are a little special. I think most of the average users would love it. I use both last.fm and Pandora, I really couldn't see replacing one with the other. Pandora is much more useful for finding artists that are very very much like another that you love while last.fm is better for more out of the blue music.

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[quote][b][user]spazz[/user][/b] said: Bloggers are a little special. I think most of the average users would love it. I use both last.fm and Pandora, I really couldn't see replacing one with the other. Pandora is much more useful for finding artists that are very very much like another that you love while last.fm is better for more out of the blue music.[/quote]

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- Isdaron said...
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- 31 Jan 2006, 10:58
Re:

Quoth spazz:
Bloggers are a little special. I think most of the average users would love it. I use both last.fm and Pandora, I really couldn't see replacing one with the other. Pandora is much more useful for finding artists that are very very much like another that you love while last.fm is better for more out of the blue music.

I agree, both systems serve different purposes.

Best, Bjoern

If you're into smooth Hip Hop with funky beats, join us in the Jazz Hop Group.
Listening to fine lyricists like The Roots, Guru's Jazzmatazz, A Tribe Called Quest et al.

[quote][b][user]Isdaron[/user][/b] said: [quote][b]Quoth [user]spazz[/user][/b]: Bloggers are a little special. I think most of the average users would love it. I use both last.fm and Pandora, I really couldn't see replacing one with the other. Pandora is much more useful for finding artists that are very very much like another that you love while last.fm is better for more out of the blue music.[/quote] I agree, both systems serve different purposes. Best, Bjoern[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
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- 31 Jan 2006, 11:47
Cool, i emailed Vic about this :)

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: Cool, i emailed Vic about this :)[/quote]

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- abelikewha said...
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- 22 Feb 2006, 08:28
any updates to speak of?

[quote][b][user]abelikewha[/user][/b] said: any updates to speak of?[/quote]

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- TellyBoots said...
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- 24 Feb 2006, 16:27
I've only recently discovered both Pandora and last.fm and I think this would be a great project. I too, find both very useful and as a Squeezebox owner, look forward to using both with the Squeezebox (if I can ever figure out how to use the last.fm plug-in with the SB :().

[quote][b][user]TellyBoots[/user][/b] said: I've only recently discovered both Pandora and last.fm and I think this would be a great project. I too, find both very useful and as a Squeezebox owner, look forward to using both with the Squeezebox (if I can ever figure out how to use the last.fm plug-in with the SB :().[/quote]

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- Kurt_Woloch said...
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- 25 Feb 2006, 19:14
I can't use it anyway...

even if Pandora is open to try for everyone in the world, after the trial period is over, you only can subscribe if you're an US citizen... which I'm not. I'm in Austria, and I'm practically closed out of Pandora now that my trial is over. I'm happy it doesn't work this way with Last.FM.

[quote][b][user]Kurt_Woloch[/user][/b] said: even if Pandora is open to try for everyone in the world, after the trial period is over, you only can subscribe if you're an US citizen... which I'm not. I'm in Austria, and I'm practically closed out of Pandora now that my trial is over. I'm happy it doesn't work this way with Last.FM.[/quote]

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