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New "Keep Stats Clean" Image Proposal

 
    • Fulvian said...
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    • 6 Aug 2008, 11:12

    New "Keep Stats Clean" Image Proposal

    Was discussed here, then here.

    Since the new site introduces bigger artist pic, I and fmera, on behalf of The Wiki Improvement Clan group, want to propose the new, higher resolution of the new Keep Stats Clean picture, it's either one of these two.





    (Originally designed by dayslipper and modified by fmera)

    We need staffs/mods' permission, if it's approved we'll use either of those images on incorrectly tagged artist names we ever come across.

    For other users we need Your votes on which image should be used, just click on Your favourite of the two images above and vote.

    Thanks in advance.

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    • fmera said...
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    • 12 Aug 2008, 09:05
    ok, the voting didn't go so well for the proposed 'keep stats clean' images above. plus the original image folder has now been taken offline, so voting is no longer possible.

    A B

    maybe the staff/mods can just decide on either one so we can proceed to replace the existing undersized images. thks.

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    • [Deleted user] said...
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    • 12 Aug 2008, 10:01
    I'd go for 'A' , it gets the message accross without trying to look too smart and I agree we need a newer one now, the current one looks out of place and kind of untidy.

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    • maz35 said...
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    • 12 Aug 2008, 10:54
    definately prefer A, clean and simple

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  • There's also this:



    (http://www.last.fm/music/Test+Artist/+images/9014827)

    The A & B images have quite a lot of wasted space on them (don't know if that's to make them fit in with the new design of the site or what... ;) ), but the one I posted above isn't square.

    The problem with all of them though is that Last.fm seems to have made itself a new logo:



    which I suppose should be used.

    What's the maximum size of the image being displayed on the page though? According to some quick MS Paint research, it appears to be 248x257.

    ...

    Yeah, well, if you ignore the random numbers, you'll come to the conclusion that A & B are a few pixels too small. (And the one I posted is obviously unnecessarily big) I know it probably won't matter much but hey, why not make it as good as possible.

    I agree that there needs to be a new one though, definitely.

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    • fmera said...
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    • 12 Aug 2008, 19:01
    TheMannen said:
    There's also this:

    <-- image removed for overwhelming bigness -->
    that image can be reserved for the next (gulp!) revision of the site (optimized for 40" displays).

    The A & B images have quite a lot of wasted space on them (don't know if that's to make them fit in with the new design of the site or what... ;) ), but the one I posted above isn't square.
    you're right; text was moved up so it would be centered when cropped in the library (126x100). the native size shown is 252x252 (new artist image width).

    The problem with all of them though is that Last.fm seems to have made itself a new logo:
    which I suppose should be used.
    yeah, should use that really.

    What's the maximum size of the image being displayed on the page though? According to some quick MS Paint research, it appears to be 248x257.
    the size of the 2 is (252x252), which will exactly fit the new artist image frame width.

    ok, i think the consensus is something like "A" then, with the needed modifications.

    U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
    there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.
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  • Hm?

    I personally think not optimizing the image for the library might make people more willing to change their tags. :P But yeah, I see your point.

    FYI, I've asked about this in our mod forum (yeah, we have secret forumz where we make fun of all of you, deal) (not really) and if anyone at Last.fm is working on an official image. The old one was made by someone there, and they wanted us to use that instead of an another one made by a mod (according to an ancient thread someone dug up).

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    • lyzzrd said...
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    • 12 Aug 2008, 19:42
    I like a fusion of A and the more ketchup colored one that TheMannen posted. If you can just add a bit of spacing between the various blocks of text, then the suggested tags would be a lot more readable. I find the text to be cluttered and a little bit hard to read. Perhaps add the new logo as well ;-)

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    • fmera said...
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    • 12 Aug 2008, 20:41
    ah... i see what you mean. before, i just dragged sample artist images to the desktop and they were all measured 252 wide (the other default being 126 for narrower windows) so i used that size.

    looking at the css now, the image is wrapped inside a span with the 1px padding and gray border, and the total width up to that border is defined as 252px. so the displayable width of the image is only up to 248px, with any overflow hidden. i don't get the different padding for the bottom though.

    you're saying one of the mods wants to handle this?


    ps: not that it's important, but is there a standard for the red used?

    U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
    there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.
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  • I'd be really happy if these images were removed altogether until it is possible to merge different spellings of the same artist (such as Roisin Murphy vs Róisín Murphy). As it is, these glaring red/yellow warning signs look really ugly in people's libraries and there is naught that the actual users can do about it.

    Yes, users can "fix" their tags but if an incorrect version of an artist is already leading their top tracks with 10 000 scrobbles, the ugly red/yellow signs will never disappear from view. Make merging possible or remove these images, please.

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  • Fmera: It might be a bug, who knows.

    Not mod, staff. But I don't know, as I haven't received a reply yet. Don't know anything about standards and stuff either.

    But I think it might be a good idea to wait a while and see if they have anything to say about this.


    Minttunator has a point though, now with the library at the profile and all.

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    • fmera said...
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    • 12 Aug 2008, 21:05
    okay then, i'll just kiv this then.

    @minttunator, my commiserations. the ugly ugly sticker will stay for now. :(

    U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
    there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.
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    • Fulvian said...
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    • 12 Aug 2008, 23:21
    minttunator said:
    Yes, users can "fix" their tags but if an incorrect version of an artist is already leading their top tracks with 10 000 scrobbles, the ugly red/yellow signs will never disappear from view. Make merging possible or remove these images, please.
    or You can simply delete those 10,000 scrobbles, what's the point of keeping incorrect scrobbles? I respect 1 scrobble of correct artist name much more than 10,000 scrobbles of incorrect artist name. The main point of the pic is to tell You that You have scrobbled an incorrect artist name.

    One of many ways to appreciate and respect an artist is to spell their name correctly.

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  • If I had 10 000 incorrect scrobbles, I'd probably wait and hope that they could be merged when the fingerprinting stuff is implemented, rather than completely delete them...

    Of course, that's just me.

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  • I have to agree with TheMannen here, if only because deleting plays is so inconvenient. I see your point, Fulvian, and I agree to an extent, but I know no way to delete all the scrobbles of a single artist without erasing ALL the listening data from one's profile.

    The other alternative, of course, would be to go through all one's listened tracks, find each and every one of those 10 000 scrobbles and delete them one by one... I don't think that's very realistic, is it? But hey, maybe I'm just being a newb here - is there a way to delete all one's scrobbles of Roisin Murphy, for example, without resetting all listening data?

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  • Please introduce the merging of artists! That'd solve most of users's complaints about pretty much everything... and it'd definitely help until the never-coming MusicBrainz integration is finally here and complete.

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    • fmera said...
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    • 13 Aug 2008, 03:55
    @minttunator - if you're considering it, using your example, they should all be found within the misspelt "Roisin Murphy" artist folder in your library. so deleting the folder (by clicking ⓧ at top right of the artist image on hover) will remove all trace of them from your library - and from your profile as well.

    i know it can be especially frustrating if the incorrect artist page is the one with the streams (meaning it was sloppy uploading by the artist/label?). if it were up to me, i would treat those cases with a lighter hand pending resolution through merging, but for incorrect pages without streams, especially track pages without a parent album, there should be no question about it: they were created by bad user scrobbles and should be red-flagged.

    going slowly off-topic here, but instead of an ugly sticker that would appear in the library, your client, etc. it would be good if a less passive method were used, eg a pm or shout gets automaticallly posted to a user's profile page every time he mis-scrobbles! spam is justifiable when used for the common good. ;)

    U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
    there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.
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    • maz35 said...
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    • 13 Aug 2008, 11:02
    TheMannen said:
    If I had 10 000 incorrect scrobbles, I'd probably wait and hope that they could be merged when the fingerprinting stuff is implemented, rather than completely delete them...

    Of course, that's just me.
    Same here, I wont delete anything as long as there a chance of a future merge, bar maybe deleting the odd one off bad scrobble. If I listen to something too much without noticing I'll probably stick with it unless its a horrendous error.

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    • Fulvian said...
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    • 13 Aug 2008, 11:06
    As fmera said, You can delete an artist (including all their scrobbles) from Your library easily.

    and fmera, I think Your method would introduce more negative reactions and inconvenience than the infamous red label does.

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  • Fmera, thank you for that information, that's exactly what I meant! =)

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  • This image thing is pretty retarded.

    Maybe last.fm should set up a proper method for merging artists rather than allowing you people to try to wreck the site for others who don't live up to your meticulous standards. :P

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    • Fulvian said...
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    • 14 Aug 2008, 00:43
    darkling23 said:
    This image thing is pretty retarded.

    Maybe last.fm should set up a proper method for merging artists rather than allowing you people to try to wreck the site for others who don't live up to your meticulous standards. :P
    It isn't our standards, it's Last.fm's standards.

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    • fmera said...
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    • 14 Aug 2008, 03:23
    darkling23 said:
    This image thing is pretty retarded.

    Maybe last.fm should set up a proper method for merging artists rather than allowing you people to try to wreck the site for others who don't live up to your meticulous standards. :P
    you're right that automated systems would be better, but they're not ready yet.

    until then, if it weren't for 'meticulous standards', there would potentially be dozens of variations of artists' names, and album and track titles, thanks to typo erors taht we sometiems carelesly maek. trying to find the right track would then be as fun and adventurous as a game of pacman.

    U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
    there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.
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    • faaaab said...
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    • 14 Aug 2008, 08:34
    Well, firstly, I'd like to say that I really like this image posting thing. It's a bit like rebels painting graffitis on walls to denounce evil people with erronerous tags ^^. Some kind of last.fm shadow ninjas, trying to make justice by their own mean.
    Anyway, a merging system would be better for sure.

    For the picture (which was the original issue), I'd rather say A with TheMannen's one color and the new logo.
    By the way, should the old picture be replaced on each profiles?

    Concerning people thinking we're maniac, you have to think about the artist who see that everyone's listening his song without even knowing they're from him. It's pure respect to tag correctly song (even outside of last.fm issue).
    People saying that it's more convenient to tag everything under "nintendo" are pure lazy people. If you know how to search it's easy to find real credits and with new media players search fonctionnalities it's easy to group nintendo artists (using ID3 comment field for example). They have no excuse, I'm all for putting ugly stickers on their profiles ^^ (Anyway, a merging system would be better for sure... but less fun)

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  • minttunator said:
    I'd be really happy if these images were removed altogether until it is possible to merge different spellings of the same artist (such as Roisin Murphy vs Róisín Murphy). As it is, these glaring red/yellow warning signs look really ugly in people's libraries and there is naught that the actual users can do about it.

    Yes, users can "fix" their tags but if an incorrect version of an artist is already leading their top tracks with 10 000 scrobbles, the ugly red/yellow signs will never disappear from view. Make merging possible or remove these images, please.     Agreed.

    Fulvian said:
    As fmera said, You can delete an artist (including all their scrobbles) from Your library easily.    True enough, but then you'd have to re-scrobble everything with the correct tag if you wanted your charts to be accurate, and even then your "Last year" charts wouldn't be correct for the next year. That's not an acceptable solution.

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