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Last.fm is not handling the feedback well, IMHO

 
  • Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank you DarthAbraham

    Ginfress said:

    You and the rest of the group, which avatar you show, are sounding like those on a world of warcraft forum whining their favourite class has been nerfed. Not really something the developers should worry about.


    So, yes, your only point is that you feel no one has any right to hold a negative opinion about the new design. Thank you for clarifying that.

    And as DarthAbraham said, we are subscribers, which gives us a right to voice our opinion, which we have done respectfully.

    DJ ProFusion
    WorldFusionRadio.com
  • Re: Re: Re: Re: Thank you DarthAbraham

    Sorry, weird technical glitch duplicated post.

    DJ ProFusion
    WorldFusionRadio.com
    Edited by WorldFusionRadio_com on 18 Jul 2008, 21:31
  • The Bring back to old Last.fm group now has over 4,300 members.

    DJ ProFusion
    WorldFusionRadio.com
    • said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 21:30
    WorldFusionRadio_com said:
    The Bring back to old Last.fm group now has over 4,300 members.


    /waves goodbye

  • Meanwhile the Keep the new Last.fm group has 65 members.

    4,306 to 65. Hmmm.

    DJ ProFusion
    WorldFusionRadio.com
    • Porieux said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 21:32
    I'm just going to repost this here since there is nothing worthwhile on this page yet.

    See the problem with telling people they are just rejecting "change" and they will "get used to it" implies that you think good (even useable) design is something that is nothing more than an aesthetic preference, when actually nothing could be further from the truth.

    If the site was designed professionally and this was just an issue of rendering styles, then this point would be valid.

    Otherwise, people who represent this site who are saying "you will get used to it" either can't tell the difference between a usable site and a non-usable one, or they are being disingenuous.

    Either way is bad news.

    • said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 21:34
    WorldFusionRadio_com said:
    Meanwhile the Keep the new Last.fm group has 65 members.

    4,306 to 65. Hmmm.


    Yeah yeah millions of people scrobble and 4306 are against the new site....i can use the same tactic as you.

    • Porieux said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 21:38
    Ginfress why are you trying to argue with people? This isn't your fight man.
    Glad to see you finally undeleted your account, welcome back.

    • said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 21:42
    Porieux said:
    Ginfress why are you trying to argue with people? This isn't your fight man.
    Glad to see you finally undeleted your account, welcome back.


    Am not fighting just pointing out flaws in the argument. Besides you and a few others who wrote down a sensible post i only see kids stamping their feets because they can't have back their cookie.

    And it's good to be back!

    • Porieux said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 21:49
    Cheers!

  • LOL, yeah.

    DJ ProFusion
    WorldFusionRadio.com
  • At least when myspace changed their layout/design you had the option to stick to the classic view (which I do)

  • Well for a start the recently played box is too large, there's too much wasted area. It needs to be made more compact.

    Secondly, what's the point of the Library box?

  • Well being on the second account for this site and using it since late 2004, I am rather stunned at the bulkiness and excess junk in the new userpage layout. I don't like that audio player in the upper right nor do I like seeing connection pics in groups and among other things. I was rather content with the simplicity of the site until a couple days ago.

    I am guessing some sort of corporate influence from their CBS masters has something to do with this vast redesign...

    Argh! Another decent website corrupted by corporate wealth and influence...greed can surely do things over time.

    • Beliyal said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 22:06
    I agree completely with the first post in this thread. The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that last.fm lost its functionality. Visual design? Yeah, I don't like it, but that's really not so important. The important thing is that we lost the great thing of almost all features being easily visible without scrolling and clicking. I went to someone's page, and had everything there, without too much scrolling. Now, I need to go to a different page to see neighbours or weekly charts. I don't think that's very functional and/or better.

    And why do people so eagerly defend the new design? Come on, we are not saying anything against your family or something, we are just trying to point out our feelings about the new thing in hope that it will be taken into consideration. Which was the point in allowing us to test the beta version and express our feeling about it. What's the point in us giving the feedback if all the major things are still unchanged? Are we playing false democracy? They let us tell them what bothers us, but they don't do anything about it; so we assume that we are in minority and that majority of people love everything about the new site. I somehow doubt that due to the growing number of members in the "Bring back the old Last.fm" group. So obviously, the majority is not satisfied, the minority is and there are still those ones who are neutral (I assume they don't care really, so we can just not count them in). Which leaves us with the majority of people who are not satisfied.

    The least thing they could do would be not going live with the site that the majority is not satisfied with. There are still a lot of bugs, people still expect the design to be changed more, but going live just gave us all the feeling that this is final. And if it not final, why did you rush with putting it live? I am not in a rush and no one is. I would rather wait for another year and see the really great, functional and amazing site, than get this halfly-finished, overrushed version that more than a half users have something against.

    Finally, I am not against all changes. I am only against the bad ones.

    EDIT: btw, the beta went live before everyone had time to test it. I know we are not all subscribers, but most of aren't. Don't you think that we will not even try to become ones if we don't like the site?

  • Exactly, argonianslave, corporate greed and its influence ruin a lot over time.

    Which is a good opportunity to remind people to support independent Internet radio stations. There are thousands of them out there where you can listen for free and discover great music programmed by real people, not corporations. :)

    DJ ProFusion
    WorldFusionRadio.com
    • abeilles said...
    • Subscriber
    • 18 Jul 2008, 22:18
    it's really just a matter of providing the option to last.fm users, to use the old layout. familiarity is lasting and sentimental-- why disrupt the bonds we've so tenderly nursed with a jarring, cold new layout?

    and frankly i'm a little offended that last.fm, a supposed 'user-friendly' website, is so expectant for the people who keep them running, their members/subscribers.. to just "get over it", "adjust", etc? even if an adjustment is made, chances are they won't be as happy with the services as they once were, which leaves them less inclined to frequent the site or subscribe.

    in a sense it almost pushes them to seek out a similar website that is sensitive to even the 'silliest', most 'superficial' desires of its users.

    come on last.fm, we used to be a team!

    • Porieux said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 22:23
    I participated in the beta, and IMO it was NOT clear that this was the final design. It was pretty clear we had a LONG way to go before the site would be ready for launch....and then for some reason they just up and launched it anyway....

  • Beliyal - great post, thanks.

    DJ ProFusion
    WorldFusionRadio.com
  • Porieux - one wonders if there was some sort of corporate-imposed deadline coinciding with the publicity for the new advertising scheme.

    DJ ProFusion
    WorldFusionRadio.com
  • you're the best # WorldFusionRadio_com

    ;)

    • Russ said...
    • Alumni
    • 18 Jul 2008, 22:54
    Hi guys,

    I've been working at last.fm for 5 years now. I do not have much hand in the design of the site; I work on the backend architecture, so I'm not really trying to defend it, but I'd like to try and answer some of your questions.

    This doesn't have anything to do with CBS

    Yes, there is some business justification for some of the changes in the new site, but this site is a business, and we have to make money. This would be the same, CBS or no CBS (and it's all your fault for coming here ;). I'm not going to stand by and let this accusation slide - CBS are great people to work with. We are the people to blame for the new site design: the same people who did the previous design (and the one before that).

    You've ruined our beautiful old design

    Do you remember how many people complained when we switched designs last time - back in 2006? Most people in this thread probably weren't here. Proportionally, we had about the same amount of people whining about the design change then as are now defending the apparently amazing old design now. It's quite amazing - you certainly can't tell from the forum comments at release what the eventual acceptance of the design will be.

    ...so switch back to the old site!

    We've been working on this release for months - far too long, really. Attached to this new design is a whole ton of new architecture which powers stuff like the new realtime charts and the activity feeds. It's impossible for us to switch back, we'd have to spend months to port the old interface to the new architecture (again, probably not the best way to do things, but that's the way it turned out; we can't change it now).

    That's not a bad thing

    That means that for months, we've been dealing with two versions of the site, but now we only have one. We can move a lot quicker now, we've got a lot of weight off our shoulders. Expect a lot of changes. Some of them might even be in response to your comments.

    You're not listening to us

    We made a hell of a lot of changes during the beta in response to user feedback. We're not ignoring you. We're not done yet. We had to get this new site out the door for a lot of reasons. You actually still have a chance to shape this site. (And I swear I wouldn't be saying this if I thought it was fake. It's not).

    So here comes the controversial bit: We think we know our users better than you do. It's really easy for site designers to spin the whole "we know what's best for you" thing, but we think we do. We had a toolbar above the beta site which let our users tell us their thoughts, good or bad. Here are the results:


    (click to enlarge)


    Bear in mind that this is all the feedback over the course of the beta. A lot of beta testers changed their minds and decided they liked it towards the end of the beta. It's not perfect, but you've got to admit that it's a bit different to those claims that the "majority" of our users hate the new design.

    Thanks for reading. You've got to understand that it's utterly crushing to see your last 8 months' worth of work panned with such venom, so that's why most of our staff has stayed away from these forums in the last day or two.

    Russ

  • One thing that's not immediately apparent from Russ' image above is that the green highlight means that more people said "I like it" than "I hate it" or "I'm not sure". That's right - there was more positive than negative feedback for almost all of the new pages.

    • said...
    • User
    • 18 Jul 2008, 22:59
    i think the personal comments should be more accessible ... i have to scroll down quite a bit to get to them, i usually visit my page only to see if i have any new comments... i don't really like the new style but i appreciate the work that has been put into it. i guess we just have to get used to it ...

    sry for my rusty english


    edit: oh and where are the recommandations ?! i found alot of new bands from that feature

    Edited by a deleted user on 18 Jul 2008, 23:05
  • This constant bitching and moaning is really getting ridiculous. I've been here for a while, this is the second major change I've seen, and this happens every single time. People stomp around and yell at the staff like it's the end of the world, then two weeks later, once their panties are no longer in a twist, they find that they actually enjoy the new look. And before you say, oh this isn't just aesthetics, it's poor functionality and design, etc., just stfu for a day or two and try actually getting used to the site.

    I'm sure the staff has got enough to worry about right now, and it's incredibly selfish to expect them to go back to the old design after god knows how much time was spent working on this just because a small percentage of last.fm is bitching. Yeah, that group has 4,000+ members? How many of those people are still there from the last upgrade? And while the positive group doesn't have that many members, how many people are using last.fm and not saying anything negative at all?

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