Last.fm giving data to the RIAA?

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- Jonty said...
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- 23 Feb 2009, 13:48
HodgeStar said:
why paragraph 4.1 in their privacy policy.
You're referring to this?
4. Browser Information

We collect data regarding the users of Last.fm, including: (i) The Internet Protocol (IP) address of the user’s computer. This may or may not be associated with a particular Internet Service Provider (ISP); (ii) The referring URL, if any; (iii) The browser software identification (i.e. the brand and version of your browser software).
That is just the information collected by the apache webserver logs, and every website you ever visit logs these things, even google. We have to state publicly that we record it legally though.

[quote][b][user]Jonty[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]HodgeStar[/user][/b] said: why paragraph 4.1 in their [url=http://www.last.fm/legal/privacy]privacy policy[/url].[/quote] You're referring to this? [quote][b]4. Browser Information[/b] We collect data regarding the users of Last.fm, including: (i) The Internet Protocol (IP) address of the user’s computer. This may or may not be associated with a particular Internet Service Provider (ISP); (ii) The referring URL, if any; (iii) The browser software identification (i.e. the brand and version of your browser software).[/quote] That is just the information collected by the apache webserver logs, and every website you ever visit logs these things, even google. We have to state publicly that we record it legally though.[/quote]

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- HodgeStar said...
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- 23 Feb 2009, 14:05
Ah, thanks for the answer, Jonty! Does that mean scrobbling and fingerprinting works without tracking user IPs? Until now, i've never been really sure about that.

[quote][b][user]HodgeStar[/user][/b] said: Ah, thanks for the answer, Jonty! Does that mean scrobbling and fingerprinting works without tracking user IPs? Until now, i've never been really sure about that. [/quote]

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- Jonty said...
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- 23 Feb 2009, 15:40
HodgeStar said:
Ah, thanks for the answer, Jonty! Does that mean scrobbling and fingerprinting works without tracking user IPs? Until now, i've never been really sure about that.

I had to check up on this, both systems have changed a lot recently!

Scrobbling records IP addresses so we can detect spammers, fingerprint submissions are anonymous.

[quote][b][user]Jonty[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]HodgeStar[/user][/b] said: Ah, thanks for the answer, Jonty! Does that mean scrobbling and fingerprinting works without tracking user IPs? Until now, i've never been really sure about that. [/quote] I had to check up on this, both systems have changed a lot recently! Scrobbling records IP addresses so we can detect spammers, fingerprint submissions are anonymous.[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
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- 23 Feb 2009, 15:47
Jonty said:
fingerprint submissions are anonymous.So there you have it folks - even if RIAA wanted the data (which they don't), and even if Last.fm/CBS agreed to give it up (which they won't), the only piece of information which could prove what was being listened to is already anonymized. Time for the tin-foil hats to go back in the cupboard, peeps.

(off-topic: the new U2 album is a Spotify exclusive rather than a Last.fm one? Another big coup for Spotify...)

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Jonty[/user][/b] said: fingerprint submissions are anonymous.[/quote]So there you have it folks - even if RIAA wanted the data (which they don't), and even if Last.fm/CBS agreed to give it up (which they won't), the only piece of information which could prove what was being listened to is already anonymized. Time for the tin-foil hats to go back in the cupboard, peeps. (off-topic: the new U2 album is a Spotify exclusive rather than a Last.fm one? Another big coup for Spotify...)[/quote]

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- bengt_bangt said...
- Moderator
- 23 Feb 2009, 16:24
in case you haven't seen it yet: RJ posted a new entry in the last.fm blog

"Techcrunch are full of shit"

FAQ | Known Issues | Official Support (English) |
May 10th site update | Artists and Label FAQ
Hidden Stuff | #audioscrobbler on irc.last.fm

[quote][b][user]bengt_bangt[/user][/b] said: in case you haven't seen it yet: [user]RJ[/user] posted a new entry in the last.fm blog [url=http://blog.last.fm/2009/02/23/techcrunch-are-full-of-shit]"Techcrunch are full of shit"[/url][/quote]

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- HodgeStar said...
- User
- 23 Feb 2009, 17:12
Thanks again for the info, Jonty. Perhaps it should be explicitly stated in the policy text to avoid misinterpretations regarding scrobbling and fingerprinting which is a speciality of just this site. And thanks to StudleyUK for eloquently wording the conclusions for us.

[quote][b][user]HodgeStar[/user][/b] said: Thanks again for the info, Jonty. Perhaps it should be explicitly stated in the policy text to avoid misinterpretations regarding scrobbling and fingerprinting which is a speciality of just this site. And thanks to StudleyUK for eloquently wording the conclusions for us.[/quote]

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- wikk!d said...
- User
- 23 Feb 2009, 23:17
Hey Last.fm! I've been with you for a very long time. I think while you were still in beta. Thanks for defending our privacy. Hope TC issues an appology.

[quote][b][user]wikk!d[/user][/b] said: Hey Last.fm! I've been with you for a very long time. I think while you were still in beta. Thanks for defending our privacy. Hope TC issues an appology.[/quote]

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- ShadesOfIce said...
- User
- 24 Feb 2009, 01:19
Was this posted?

http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/02/riaa-denies-rumors-that-lastfm-turned-over-data.ars

Youtube page

[quote][b][user]ShadesOfIce[/user][/b] said: Was this posted? http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/02/riaa-denies-rumors-that-lastfm-turned-over-data.ars[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
- User
- 24 Feb 2009, 07:26
Louie_man said:
That's what you get for listening to U2.

Here Here

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Louie_man[/user][/b] said: That's what you get for listening to U2.[/quote] Here Here[/quote]

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- huntingeye said...
- User
- 24 Feb 2009, 08:04
This whole thing is the best I've heard for a long, long time...

If Id3-tags are valid evidence in court, so are my dreams...

How can anyone take this seriously...?

[quote][b][user]huntingeye[/user][/b] said: This whole thing is the best I've heard for a long, long time... If Id3-tags are valid evidence in court, so are my dreams... How can anyone take this seriously...?[/quote]

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- namnatulco said...
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- 24 Feb 2009, 16:29
huntingeye said:
This whole thing is the best I've heard for a long, long time...

If Id3-tags are valid evidence in court, so are my dreams...

How can anyone take this seriously...?
To people that know about computers, this is as obvious as anything. To people who don't work with MP3 files, they probably don't even know what those tags are or what they do.

Which is in my opinion a general problem with cases about some IT subject, and a large source of frustration.

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[quote][b][user]namnatulco[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]huntingeye[/user][/b] said: This whole thing is the best I've heard for a long, long time... If Id3-tags are valid evidence in court, so are my dreams... How can anyone take this seriously...?[/quote] To people that know about computers, this is as obvious as anything. To people who don't work with MP3 files, they probably don't even know what those tags are or what they do. Which is in my opinion a general problem with cases about some IT subject, and a large source of frustration.[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
- User
- 4 Apr 2009, 09:51
tom_gr said:
Lol how would they know whether i've been listening to the full track or just a sample, anyway.
Yeah, you could even change your ID3 tags. Then is it still a criminal offence?

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Tom_GR[/user][/b] said: Lol how would they know whether i've been listening to the full track or just a sample, anyway.[/quote] Yeah, you could even change your ID3 tags. Then is it still a criminal offence?[/quote]

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- kingflasherdave said...
- User
- 24 May 2009, 14:45
CBS gave information to the RIAA?

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/deny-this-lastfm/

Well, i knew this wasn't over. If you really let this happen, you're in deep deep trouble last.fm fellas...

Any response?

I've been places

[quote][b][user]kingflasherdave[/user][/b] said: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/22/deny-this-lastfm/ Well, i knew this wasn't over. If you really let this happen, you're in deep deep trouble last.fm fellas... Any response?[/quote]

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- trixietrinian said...
- User
- 24 May 2009, 15:07
welcome to yesterday's news!

lots of discussion over here.

"a fly crouching in a sandwich cannot comprehend how it has become more than ordinarily vulnerable" - ivor cutler

[quote][b][user]trixietrinian[/user][/b] said: welcome to yesterday's news! lots of discussion [url=http://www.last.fm/forum/21717/_/535934]over here.[/url][/quote]

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