Last.fm giving data to the RIAA?

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- Anderson_ma said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 05:32
oww God
I'm an outlaw?
great :D

[quote][b][user]Anderson_ma[/user][/b] said: oww God I'm an outlaw? great :D[/quote]

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- diafygi said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 05:42
Russ said:
I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it.

Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for.

As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.

Good. Because as soon as this happens, you can expect me to close my account.

[quote][b][user]diafygi[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] said: I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it. Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for. As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.[/quote] Good. Because as soon as this happens, you can expect me to close my account.[/quote]

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- juepucta said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 05:51
TheShadowstorm said:
This better be bullshit.

The staff member who posted here could be lying, but only time will tell.

This site should have never sold to CBS. Fuck. I'd rather be a part of an independent company then join those fuckers. Only a handful of corporations own 95%+ of our fucking culture as it is.

Not sure i've you've noticed but those were no regular staff-members. Plus, you already have had in this thread and other threads abundant replies as to the veracity of Techcrunch's bs.

-G.

[quote][b][user]juepucta[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]TheShadowstorm[/user][/b] said: This better be bullshit. The staff member who posted here could be lying, but only time will tell. This site should have never sold to CBS. Fuck. I'd rather be a part of an independent company then join those fuckers. Only a handful of corporations own 95%+ of our fucking culture as it is.[/quote] Not sure i've you've noticed but those were no regular staff-members. Plus, you already have had in this thread and other threads abundant replies as to the veracity of Techcrunch's bs. -G.[/quote]
Edited by juepucta on 21 Feb 2009, 06:19

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- fmera said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 06:12
following up juepucta's post above:

@TheShadowstorm - what more assurance do you need? no fewer than 4 staffmembers have spoken up unequivocally, starting off with Russ' categorical denial, and RJ's dismissal of the techcrunch "story" on the article page itself as "utter nonsense and totally untrue", identifying himself clearly as one of the founders.

RJ said:
I couldn't resist leaving a comment on the techcrunch article.
and you think they could be lying?

U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.

[quote][b][user]fmera[/user][/b] said: following up [b]juepucta[/b]'s post above: @[b]TheShadowstorm[/b] - what more assurance do you need? no fewer than 4 staffmembers have spoken up unequivocally, starting off with [user]russ[/user]' [url=/forum/21713/_/506518/_/8660996]categorical denial[/url], and [user]rj[/user]'s dismissal of the techcrunch "story" [u]on the article page itself[/u] as "[url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/20/did-lastfm-just-hand-over-user-listening-data-to-the-riaa/#comment-2632012]utter nonsense and totally untrue[/url]", identifying himself clearly as one of the founders. [quote][b][user]RJ[/user][/b] said: I couldn't resist leaving [url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/20/did-lastfm-just-hand-over-user-listening-data-to-the-riaa/#comment-2632012]a comment[/url] on the techcrunch article. [/quote] and you think [u]they[/u] could be lying? [/quote]

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- mattl said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 07:17
Russ said:
I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it.

Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for.

As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.

Nice one. Thanks mate.

Just wanted to be sure ;)

Now I don't have to false tag a bunch of songs as being from U2 on the new album with song titles like 'Bono should die in a fire' -- saved me a bunch of time.

[quote][b][user]mattl[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] said: I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it. Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for. As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.[/quote] Nice one. Thanks mate. Just wanted to be sure ;) Now I don't have to false tag a bunch of songs as being from U2 on the new album with song titles like 'Bono should die in a fire' -- saved me a bunch of time.[/quote]

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- Worm-Infested said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 08:05
This rules, thanks for dispelling it guys! I always knew I could trust last.fm.

[quote][b][user]Worm-Infested[/user][/b] said: This rules, thanks for dispelling it guys! I always knew I could trust last.fm.[/quote]

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- haroldp said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 08:46
Thanks

Thanks to the staff who posted, putting this to rest in clear, unequivocal terms.

It is essential, I think, for scrobblers to feel like we are the customer here, and that the real reason you have built this vast intricate palace is *the music*.

[quote][b][user]haroldp[/user][/b] said: Thanks to the staff who posted, putting this to rest in clear, unequivocal terms. It is essential, I think, for scrobblers to feel like we are the customer here, and that the real reason you have built this vast intricate palace is *[i]the music[/i]*. [/quote]

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- angrykeyboarder said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 09:20
Russ said:
I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it.

Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for.

As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.

Well it made for a fun few hours in Teh Internets gossip mill

[quote][b][user]angrykeyboarder[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] said: I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it. Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for. As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.[/quote] Well it made for a fun few hours in Teh Internets [url=http://search.twitter.com/search?q=last.fm+riaa]gossip mill[/url][/quote]

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- maz35 said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 10:39
Well now I know a site never to use and its not Last.fm. Pathetic article.

The Tag Appreciation Society | The Last.fm Mass Tagger

[quote][b][user]maz35[/user][/b] said: Well now I know a site never to use and its not Last.fm. Pathetic article.[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 10:42
diafygi said:
Good. Because as soon as this happens, you can expect me to close my account.98 plays in 6 months - I bet they're quivering.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]diafygi[/user][/b] said: Good. Because as soon as this happens, you can expect me to close my account.[/quote]98 plays in 6 months - I bet they're quivering.[/quote]

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- FL0RECITA said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 10:55
Russ said:
I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it.

Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for.

As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.

Techcrunch were given the story by a rival online music service to last.fm, like most lazy journalists they did not bother to check its authenticity.

I would be more concerned about the rival service, if that is the way they conduct business what else would they be prepared to do ??

UK / EU law is much more robust than US law with regards to personal data.

It Ain't a Crime to be Good to Yourself

[quote][b][user]FL0RECITA[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] said: I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it. Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for. As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.[/quote] Techcrunch were given the story by a rival online music service to last.fm, like most lazy journalists they did not bother to check its authenticity. I would be more concerned about the rival service, if that is the way they conduct business what else would they be prepared to do ?? UK / EU law is much more robust than US law with regards to personal data.[/quote]

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- namnatulco said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 10:56
But seriously, you guys. The RIAA doesn't need last.fm to give them scrobbling data. It's all over your (public) profile, after all.

Not that the RIAA could make any kind of proof from that or link your profile to your person, but still.

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[quote][b][user]namnatulco[/user][/b] said: But seriously, you guys. The RIAA doesn't need last.fm to give them scrobbling data. It's all over your (public) profile, after all. Not that the RIAA could make any kind of proof from that or link your profile to your person, but still.[/quote]

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- b3nw said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 10:57
slander?

[quote][b][user]b3nw[/user][/b] said: slander?[/quote]

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- angrykeyboarder said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 11:11
Re:Re: What russ said.

DudeMustBeCrazy said:
RJ said:
I couldn't resist leaving a comment on the techcrunch article. Dude.
That was awesome.

I left a comment with @techcrunch on Twitter.

[quote][b][user]angrykeyboarder[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]DudeMustBeCrazy[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]RJ[/user][/b] said: I couldn't resist leaving [url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/20/did-lastfm-just-hand-over-user-listening-data-to-the-riaa/#comment-2632012]a comment[/url] on the techcrunch article. [/quote]Dude. That was awesome.[/quote] I left a comment with [url=http://twitter.com/angrykeyboarder/status/1233754550]@techcrunch on Twitter.[/url][/quote]

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- christopherwoods said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 12:50
Oh come on!

At the end of the day, as long as British privacy laws haven't been broken, I couldn't care less. As mentioned by several other people, people who are caught listening to U2 should be taken round the back and shot anyway.

it ain't too loud

[quote][b][user]christopherwoods[/user][/b] said: At the end of the day, as long as British privacy laws haven't been broken, I couldn't care less. As mentioned by several other people, people who are caught listening to U2 should be taken round the back and shot anyway.[/quote]

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- fmera said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 13:19
b3nw said:
slander?
uh-uh. libel.

U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.

[quote][b][user]fmera[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]b3nw[/user][/b] said: slander?[/quote] uh-uh. [url=http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1153]libel[/url].[/quote]

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- fmera said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 13:23
StudleyUK said:
diafygi said:
Good. Because as soon as this happens, you can expect me to close my account.98 plays in 6 months - I bet they're quivering.
roflmao x2

U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.

[quote][b][user]fmera[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]StudleyUK[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]diafygi[/user][/b] said: Good. Because as soon as this happens, you can expect me to close my account.[/quote]98 plays in 6 months - I bet they're quivering.[/quote] roflmao x2[/quote]

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- Jonty said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 13:36
diafygi said:
Russ said:
I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it.

Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for.

As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.

Good. Because as soon as this happens, you can expect me to close my account.
And you could also expect most of the Last.fm staff to walk out of the office door and never return.

--jonty

[quote][b][user]Jonty[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]diafygi[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] said: I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it. Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for. As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.[/quote] Good. Because as soon as this happens, you can expect me to close my account.[/quote] And you could also expect most of the Last.fm staff to walk out of the office door and never return. --jonty[/quote]

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- Fishermang said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 14:01
I don't see why some people got scared by this. You can anytime take a track by any band and rename it into whatever you like. There is nothing any anti-piracy orgnization can do about this, or use any information even if they got it from last.fm (which I would never expect to happen to begin with).

[quote][b][user]Fishermang[/user][/b] said: I don't see why some people got scared by this. You can anytime take a track by any band and rename it into whatever you like. There is nothing any anti-piracy orgnization can do about this, or use any information even if they got it from last.fm (which I would never expect to happen to begin with).[/quote]

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- TheShadowstorm said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 14:42
Fishermang said:
I don't see why some people got scared by this. You can anytime take a track by any band and rename it into whatever you like. There is nothing any anti-piracy orgnization can do about this, or use any information even if they got it from last.fm (which I would never expect to happen to begin with).

Why would you want to do that? After all this time, we've been trying to get people to tag correctly. Now, we even have auto tag corrector.

[quote][b][user]TheShadowstorm[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Fishermang[/user][/b] said: I don't see why some people got scared by this. You can anytime take a track by any band and rename it into whatever you like. There is nothing any anti-piracy orgnization can do about this, or use any information even if they got it from last.fm (which I would never expect to happen to begin with).[/quote] Why would you want to do that? After all this time, we've been trying to get people to tag correctly. Now, we even have auto tag corrector.[/quote]

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- [Deleted user] said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 14:44
Twitter users RT this " I just received a tip @erickschonfeld at #techcrunch is a Pedophile"

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] said: Twitter users RT this " I just received a tip @erickschonfeld at #techcrunch is a Pedophile"[/quote]

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- okorioth said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 15:41
Denial or not, as a long time Last.fm user, you can be sure I will close my account and walk away if this is true. Frankly, some posts from people claiming to be employees denying it is not the final proof to reassure me. I'm guessing management has their fingers on this one.

[quote][b][user]okorioth[/user][/b] said: Denial or not, as a long time Last.fm user, you can be sure I will close my account and walk away if this is true. Frankly, some posts from people claiming to be employees denying it is not the final proof to reassure me. I'm guessing management has their fingers on this one.[/quote]

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- sunnychick said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 15:53
I'm not sure if these quotes have been mentioned or not, so here goes:

Jonty Wareing - February 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pm PST

What annoys me is that people are deleting accounts and losing their entire scrobbling history based on shoddy journalism.

This hurts those people who have spent years carefully collecting their data far more than last.fm as a whole.

Jonty Wareing - February 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pm PST

As a followup, we have now stopped the job that removes users marked for deletion, so if you did delete your account in haste and want your scrobbles back, please contact our support team.

Sounds fair to me.

[quote][b][user]sunnychick[/user][/b] said: I'm not sure if these quotes have been mentioned or not, so here goes: Jonty Wareing - February 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pm PST What annoys me is that people are deleting accounts and losing their entire scrobbling history based on shoddy journalism. This hurts those people who have spent years carefully collecting their data far more than last.fm as a whole. Jonty Wareing - February 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pm PST As a followup, we have now stopped the job that removes users marked for deletion, so if you did delete your account in haste and want your scrobbles back, please contact our support team. Sounds fair to me. [/quote]

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- DFA1979 said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 15:59
okorioth said:
Denial or not, as a long time Last.fm user, you can be sure I will close my account and walk away if this is true. Frankly, some posts from people claiming to be employees denying it is not the final proof to reassure me. I'm guessing management has their fingers on this one.Why do you say "people claiming to be employees"? They've also posted in this thread, from their Last.fm staff accounts.

[quote][b][user]DFA1979[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]okorioth[/user][/b] said: Denial or not, as a long time Last.fm user, you can be sure I will close my account and walk away if this is true. Frankly, some posts from people claiming to be employees denying it is not the final proof to reassure me. I'm guessing management has their fingers on this one.[/quote]Why do you say "people [i]claiming to be[/i] employees"? They've also posted in this thread, from their Last.fm staff accounts.[/quote]

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- Worm-Infested said...
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- 21 Feb 2009, 16:43
Gotta love super-cynical people who won't listen to either side's presentation of the facts but instead decide to make their own (stupid) conclusions.

[quote][b][user]Worm-Infested[/user][/b] said: Gotta love super-cynical people who won't listen to either side's presentation of the facts but instead decide to make their own (stupid) conclusions.[/quote]

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