The first real band along with Black Sabbath I ever listened to when I started digging into my old man's vinyl collection when I was around 8 years old so I've been a fan for more than 25 years, but I seriously wouldn't mind if they called it a day now. They might have a minimal amount of gas left in the tank but JP isn't the same without K.K.
back when i first got into metal i would listen to a lot of British Steel and Screaming for Vengeance, under the impression that these were Priest's best albums. but it is obvious that Sad Wings, Sin After Sin, and Stained Class are so infinitely better than the insipid hard rock of British Steel, so much more consistent than Screaming for Vengeance which has 2-3 good songs and a bunch of filler. It's actually disgraceful that British Steel has 3x as many listeners as Sad Wings of Destiny
In my opinion, the common point of view that Judas Priest were the next evolutionary step to Black Sabbath (that means, in turn, that Black Sabbath were kinda proto-Judas Priest) is complete bullshit. Development of metal music was not a linear one-dimensional process, and these two bands represented two completely different approaches. Black Sabbath were metal and they do not have to sound like Iron Maiden or Judas Priest to be metal. People are trying too hard to unite all pre-thrash stuff under "traditional heavy metal" label and that definitely adds to all this confusion.
...Perhaps this might sound silly (and a little exaggerated) but I like to think it this way: Black Sabbath put the canvas and drawn the sketches, the rest added the colors. Of course I'm not trying to uncredit Judas Priest or other important bands for pioneering metal, but there's too much in favor of Black Sabbath for me to consider any other band as the most influential.
"made some occult blues rock towards early 70's and then went full hard rock till late 70's" Sorry but no, I could agree their first album was a darker and heavier form of occult rock/hard rock and not exactly heavy metal but saying albums such as paranoid, master of reality (probably the heaviest album of the 70's) and Vol 4 are not heavy metal sounds like a fallacy to me. Those three albums in particular are the musical definition of heavy metal (tone, riffing, even drumming) and contain the basics of the genre from which later bands (judas priest included) developed it. Some of the things you mention were already done by black sabbath before in those albums: Palm Muted riffs (Paranoid, into the void), dual solos (Iron man). Talking about riffing, I'm conviced Tony Iommy was the inventor of metal riffs, he pretty much prototyped almost all of them in the first 6 albums...
I'd also add that Judas Priest were probably more innovative than the whole NWOBHM movement including Motorhead. "Overkill" pales in comparison with "Exciter" or "Dissident Aggressor", Venom's "Witching Hour" is not really that far from "Rapid Fire" or "Steeler", and so on. Not to mention that half of the NWOBHM were just UFO and Thin Lizzy worshippers... Black Sabbath and few others created heavy metal music, NWOBHM launched the movement and spread metal around the world, but musically your typical metal band probably owes to Judas Priest at first place and at greatest degree
@dark_wisdom. I get what you're saying, but the problem with this logic is, are the first ones always the most influential? Sabbath experimented with something, made some occult blues rock towards early 70's (plus proto doom stuff) and then went full hard rock till late 70's, but Judas Priest made the form we know today as Heavy Metal, they even influenced Sabbath during Dio days, They were the first band that got rid of the blues scale and bluesy licks, they plus deep purple were one of the first bands to use opera esque (although I don't agree with these kinda naming) vocals, they were one of the first bands that defined the typical metal riffing and even the first that focused on Palm Muted riffs, they were one of the earliest to feature dual solos and other crazy guitar solo stuff, yeah I agree with Black Sabbath is one of the most influential, and they have even influenced Judas Priest, but Judas Priest took metal from Sabbath and made it a distinct genre.
"there is a difference between defining a genre and making the first albums of it" hahahaha, you're kidding right? This pointless debate started because you literaly said that "Judas Priest were more influential than Black Sabbath", now you admit Black Sabbath did the first albums of the genre. Furthermore, we're not talking about some sort of underground pioneer with little exposure at the time, we are talking about one of the most widely known metal bands in the world, just take a look at their sales records: "Black Sabbath has sold over 70 million records worldwide", they're pretty well known it seems. So to conclude (at least for me) there's no point saying they aren't the most influential metal band ever. Of course there's no doubt Judas Priest (just like many other bands) contributed to the genre not only musically but also in terms of imagery, but saying they were [way] more influential, in this case, is not supported by the numbers.
Are you people debating which band was first doing your maths right? Black Sabbath's first album came out in 1970, Judas priest first album came out more than 4 years later, by that time Black sabbath had already released 4 albums more. Not to mention KK downing was already influenced by black sabbath when he formed Judas Priest