Early Modernist Music

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Moderator: alleseter
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Gegründet am: 29. Nov. 2005
For lovers of that period of classical music defined as musical modernism, ca. 1880-1930, when the boundaries of traditional harmony and form were broken.

Welcome to Early Modernist Music Group!

Defining musical modernism: Modernism in music, characterized by a desire for or belief in breaking with the past or common practice as applied to music. Ezra Pound’s modernist slogan, “Make it new” as applied to music. Musicologist Carl Dahlhaus restricted his definition of musical modernism to progressive music in the period 1890-1910: The year 1890…lends itself as an obvious point of historical discontinuity…The “breakthrough” of Mahler, Strauss, and Debussy implies a profound historical transformation. Other writers regard the period of musical modernism as extending only to about 1930, and apply the term “postmodernism” to the period after that year (Karolyi 1994, 135: Meyer 1994, 331-32)(Wikipedia)

This group was created by Findoctor in 2005 and revitalized by Gamester in 2008.

group avatar: Black and Violet (1924) by Wassily Kandinsky

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  • alleseter

    There's a nice article on The Rite of Spring on the AllmusicGuide: http://blog.allmusic.com/2009/3/27/augurs-of-spring-some-anecdotes-of-stravinskys-le-sacre-du-printemps/

    1. Apr. 2009 Antworten
  • Qimen

    Happy year 2009 to you !

    9. Jan. 2009 Antworten
  • alleseter

    A happy new year to you all!

    4. Jan. 2009 Antworten
  • SirAlecHendrix

    good response

    24. Dez. 2008 Antworten
  • alleseter

    (part 2): Respighi, Vaughan Williams, Holst and De Falla were clearly inspired by the then still modern impressionism of Debussy and Ravel. In Holst's Mars one can clearly hear in the inspiration of The Rite of Spring, Vaughan-Williams's 4th and 6th symphonies are full of expressionism. and the Chôros series by Villa-Lobos is strikingly modern, at times verging on the edge of noisy expressionism. In my opinion neo-classicism and 'neue sachlichkeit' (De Falla, Villa-Lobos), too are definitely anti-romantic and thus modern, if not as avant-garde as dodecafonism or Varèse's experiments. The only dubious artists may be Reger and Pfitzner, but before say 1905 they were as modern as music got at the time (when Wagner still was the main source of the avant-garde in Germany and Austria). Only afterwards, they got outdated.

    10. Dez. 2008 Antworten
  • alleseter

    It's true that some of the connected artists are not the avant-garde modernists themselves, but their contemporaries. I've chosen to connect all composers of an era, not only the pioneers, but also the followers. Yet, all the artists you mentioned definitely belong to the early 20th century, musically.

    10. Dez. 2008 Antworten
  • SirAlecHendrix

    i came to realize that some of the connected composers aren't what we would call modernists but neo-romanicists and neo-classicists who rejected avant-garde modernism (e.g. Ralph Vaughan Williams, Heitor Villa-Lobos, Ottorini Respighi, Manuel de Falla, Gustav Holst, etc.). Hans Pfitzner was a self-described anti-modernist, and i guess, Max Reger never had any contact with modernism ...

    5. Dez. 2008 Antworten
  • SirAlecHendrix

    we don't need to care about 'Overall' group charts, it's only a distraction. important is 'Unique to this Group' (unfortunately not default on last.fm), because it's the shuffle list for the group radio, and today it reads : 1 Igor Stravinsky 2 Maurice Ravel 3 Johann Sebastian Bach 4 Franz Schubert 5 Dmitri Shostakovich 6 Jean Sibelius 7 Erik Satie 8 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 9 Olivier Messiaen 10 Johannes Brahms

    30. Nov. 2008 Antworten
  • howardiyoung

    The Beatles are at number 1, I find that to be trivially distressing

    6. Jul. 2008 Antworten
  • alleseter

    you're totally right! I've changed it

    13. Jun. 2008 Antworten
  • alleseter

    Thanx! No brandy or cigars, though... :-D

    11. Jun. 2008 Antworten
  • howardiyoung

    Does the leader get brandy and cigars?

    5. Jun. 2008 Antworten
  • joachimp

    Does anyone else think it's kinda ironic that the top artist is J.S. Bach?

    16. Mai. 2008 Antworten
  • howardiyoung

    Leaderless. Interesting. ..Where do I Join

    27. Jan. 2008 Antworten
  • alleseter

    Unfortunately, this group is practically leaderless. Findoctor has not be seen on last.fm since early 2006. :-(

    8. Jan. 2008 Antworten
  • sorelka

    Thank you for creating such a perfect group.... It gives me a chance to express my love for classical music of that period.

    1. Dez. 2007 Antworten
  • Ahamprema

    I think this period defined differences among romantics and new serialists following the serialist style with Webern and Alban Berg

    19. Mär. 2007 Antworten
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